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    1. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 21 Sep 2019
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      An under remarked-upon trend: SFBA/NYC engineering wages are starting to drive engineering wages in the rest of the US as these companies open other US hubs and print remote offers, in both cases keeping salaries in relatively tight bands for e.g. internal fairness reasons.

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    2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 21 Sep 2019
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      If you were going strictly by geographical market standards you could have a $200k new graduate in SFBA reporting to a 15 year veteran EM making, hmm, $120k or so in Chicago, but since nobody can tolerate that, that EM gets offered $250k.

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    3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 21 Sep 2019
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      "Are there enough engineers from SFBA companies for this to matter nationally?" There are approximately 3 million software engineers in the US and approximately, finger to wind, 300k work for AppAmaGooBookSoft alone, and that number increases by 50k per year.

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      Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 21 Sep 2019
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      The modal software engineer in the US is still working for a digital marketing agency or midwestern insurance company but capitalism is starting to say "Look if you can paint pixels on a web application and you presently work in a cost center, that's unacceptably inefficient."

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        2. Kevin Riggle‏ @kevinriggle 21 Sep 2019
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          My hypothetical example of what I would have done with my life if I had not gone to MIT is “write Visual FoxPro for the local paint company” and it is not actually a hypothetical

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        3. Kevin Riggle‏ @kevinriggle 21 Sep 2019
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          Unfortunately nobody knows anything about FoxPro or paint so they know and smile like this is reasonable (and, I mean, paint is interesting at least)

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        2. Adam Smith‏ @LaissezWhere 22 Sep 2019
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          All well put. Add there's a big "knowing what you're worth" angle to morale, recruiting & retention. Having recently left a Midwest eng org, the constant coffee talk was "seriously, why haven't we left for AppAmaGooBookSoft money yet?" then scrollinghttp://levels.fyi 

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        3. Adam Smith‏ @LaissezWhere 22 Sep 2019
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          Even without pretty negligible numbers of AppAmaGooFaceSoft jobs available down the street, they become the anchor point in negotiations. Starts a regional spiral that doesn't get you to parity but does seem to move things from 50% to 80% or so even for "insurance company" jobs

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        1. Preston  ✨‏ @prestonattebery 21 Sep 2019
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          @basecamp pays everyone SF wage for this reason.

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        2. Paul Roales‏ @PaulRoales 21 Sep 2019
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          psh no. It is still way way way more productive to have everyone in the same room most of the time. If the company can support paying a premium to have everyone not remote they will have a real and big advantage against competitors. Winner take all this matters - a great deal..

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        3. Web Surfer  🏄 🌎‏ @bookatmac 21 Sep 2019
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          And then the company gets bigger than can fit in a room, or building or your head and you’re remote again. Teams can still be colocated but that is a minor requirement relatively

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        2. alth0u  😷 🏠‏ @alth0u 22 Sep 2019
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          Only if web applications don't reach their peak. It's entirely reasonable that they will in the next 5 years.

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        3. Ollie Glass‏ @ollieglass 22 Sep 2019
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          Why do you think that might happen?

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