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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups.

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    1. Jovis Joseph  👨🏽‍💻‏ @JovisJoseph_ 23 May 2019

      "Building a startup is like Someone who jumps off a cliff and builds a plane on the way down" @reidhoffman So here is what i have to ask, how can ethics/being fair be your priority while falling of a cliff? Imo this analogy is normalising the lack ethics in startups cc @paulg

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    2. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 24 May 2019
      Replying to @JovisJoseph_ @reidhoffman

      In practice, the additional stress of starting a startup doesn't cause otherwise ethical people to behave unethically.

      8 replies 9 retweets 145 likes
      Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 24 May 2019
      Replying to @paulg @reidhoffman

      It's curious that substantially no one worries that someone's ethics will necessarily slide while getting married, having kids, doing a medical residency, or competing in elite sporting events, but it is widely believed that startup stress possesses some unique corrupting factor.

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        2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 24 May 2019
          Replying to @patio11 @paulg @reidhoffman

          "Congrats on having a child! Just don't feed them sawdust." "What." "Well having a child is stressful." "That is true but..." "And stress leads you to cut corners." "I would not cut that corner." "Stress also leads you to lie about it. So, no sawdust. I'm watching."

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        3. Luke Farewell‏ @FarewellLucas 24 May 2019
          Replying to @patio11 @paulg @reidhoffman

          Without regulation commerce is effective at rewarding unscrupulous behavior beyond the "relief" of reducing stress - "move fast and break things" is also not a popularized pillar of child rearing/marriage and unconditional love is not a central ethic of entrepreneurship

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        2. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 24 May 2019
          Replying to @patio11 @reidhoffman

          It's a meme often resorted to by journalists who are either lazy or have an axe to grind (or both). Readers believe it because the growth rate of successful startups is so counterintuitively high that it seems like some form of cheating is needed to explain it.

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        3. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 24 May 2019
          Replying to @paulg @patio11 @reidhoffman

          I remember one article in the NYT purporting to show a pattern of bad behavior by successful founders, and the reporter was so hard-pressed to find a third example that he had to use the fact that Parker Conrad got bad grades in college.

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        2. czue‏ @czue 24 May 2019
          Replying to @patio11 @paulg @reidhoffman

          Elite sports definitely has an ethics problem (see: e.g. cycling and baseball in the last 20 years). The thing they share with startups - and not marriage or your other examples as much - is that they are worlds where acting unethically can increase the likelihood of success.

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        3. Saul Lieberman‏ @Saul_Lieberman 24 May 2019
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          and living only in a startup ecosystem (and echo chamber) and the pressure to succeed as measured by a single metric

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        1. Cyrus Harmon‏ @cyrusharmon 24 May 2019
          Replying to @patio11 @paulg @reidhoffman

          Or perhaps it’s that getting married, having kids, doing a residency, and competing in elite sporting events don’t involve the creation of a legal entity whose primary purpose is to make money. Arguably there are incentives for spouses, parents, and doctors to behave ethically.

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        1. Emmet Gibney  🇨🇦 🇮🇪‏ @emmetgibney 24 May 2019
          Replying to @patio11 @paulg @reidhoffman

          I don't think stress has that much to do with it. In business moral hazard is more of a factor than in one's personal life. The difference in scale between potential personal upside and potential personal cost can be enormous.

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        1. Max Veytsman‏ @mveytsman 24 May 2019
          Replying to @patio11 @paulg @reidhoffman

          I dunno, I think bribing your C-student teen into an Ivy League school is exactly the kind of ethical lapse that the pressures of parenting brings about.

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        2. Nate Lowell  📁 🤖‏ @NateLowell1 24 May 2019
          Replying to @patio11 @paulg @reidhoffman

          I don't think it's the stress, I think it's the competition and the fact that doing a startup already selects for ego, risk-seeking behavior, ambition/greed, and a willingness to do whatever it takes. Unrelenting pressure to perform.

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        3. Nate Lowell  📁 🤖‏ @NateLowell1 24 May 2019
          Replying to @NateLowell1 @patio11 and

          Here's a quick article about seven different signs of ethical collapse, written by a legal prof, and put into the context of everyone's current darling, Tesla. Just ask whether these signs would be more or less common at a startup compared to other orgs: https://cube.investments/7-signs-of-ethical-failure-at-tesla-tsla-tslaq/ …

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