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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    1. Reginald Braithwaite‏ @raganwald 14 Mar 2019
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      Edgy Opinion: Programmers who call themselves “engineers” are to Engineering, as naturopaths who call themselves “doctor” are to Medicine.

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      Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 14 Mar 2019
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      Respectful strong disagree; this discourse seeks to lower the status of some engineers but does not contain a useful statement of technical fact. Software runs your airplanes, financial infrastructure, phone, government, etc etc; this is not a result of amateurs getting lucky.

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        2. Reginald Braithwaite‏ @raganwald 14 Mar 2019
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          Fact: In my jurisdiction, the Society of Professional Engineers have—and are legally required to adhere to—a code of ethics. Fact: The software industry’s code of ethics is a book full of blank pages.

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        3. Reginald Braithwaite‏ @raganwald 14 Mar 2019
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          Fact: If asked to violate their code of ethics, a P.Eng. In Canada can refuse, and can blow the whistle on their client or employer. Fact: Software developers are routinely asked to do terrible things under NDA, with threat of dismissal if they refuse.

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        2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 14 Mar 2019
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          Additionally, while I have some reservations about the degree to which professional accreditation is designed to and has the effect of excluding some people from industry, I feel sort of obligated to say that some of us can point to paperwork exceeding any bar set here.

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        3. Chris Ammerman‏ @cammerman 14 Mar 2019
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          Words are hard. "Engineer" means something in the historical context of the past century. I think a lot of the ways it is used in software don't respect that legacy. But some do.

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        2. Michael Stone‏ @anoncept 14 Mar 2019
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          “Engineering” seems to me to be very challenging to define without recourse to social warrant, which I think somewhat weakens your “does not contain a useful statement of technical fact” criticism.

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        3. Michael Stone‏ @anoncept 14 Mar 2019
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          To sharpen definitions here: do you have a preferred criterion for identifying “engineered” works vs other kinds?

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        1. Alex Kluew‏ @alexkluew_dev 15 Mar 2019
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          if anyone is interested I tried to cover my navigation of the software field as I recently graduated from an accredited software engineering degree in Canada - if anyone is interested in that view 👂 via http://anchor.fm/ihatecoding  it’s the latest podcast

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        1. Lucas Scharenbroich‏ @ljscharen 14 Mar 2019
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          In support of this position:https://youtu.be/NNGaXxMueiw 

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        1. Symbolic Executioner‏ @k3170Makan 15 Mar 2019
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          They can only design hardware if there's already software present.

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        2. Mat Fournier‏ @mat4nier 15 Mar 2019
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          Its more of a responsibility thing. I'm a former professional engineer (civil/geotechnical). People ask why I switched into tech all the time which is easy, waaaaay less responsibility for same/better pay. No one is accountable in tech the same way.

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