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Patrick McKenzie

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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    1. Stephanie Hurlburt‏ @sehurlburt 5 Dec 2018
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      I get asked why I don’t have a patreon or some other way for people to send $$ if they want. It’s because my business intuition tells me that’s a bad idea. If people want to support me they can refer established tech companies to my business. Not sure why this is my intuition yet

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    2. Stephanie Hurlburt‏ @sehurlburt 5 Dec 2018
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      I think it falls under the “Never charge for coffee meetings” line of thinking. @patio11 also commonly talks about how he either gives advice for free or for very large consulting fees most can’t afford. That line of thought.

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    3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 5 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @sehurlburt

      Somebody once tried to put a cash tip in my hands at a conference. I noped out of it so hard I was worried I was impolite, but that is also my considered reaction. CEOs don't take tips. In return for no substantial amount of money it says "I'm grasping and unserious" to buyers.

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    4. Amy "Social Distancing" Hoy‏ @amyhoy 5 Dec 2018
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      yes that’s it — CEOs don’t take tips. i used to have a tip jar on my old site back when i was an employee then consultant, before i had anything to sell. i would never do it today

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    5. Stephanie Hurlburt‏ @sehurlburt 5 Dec 2018
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      I can kind of feel intuitively why “CEOs don’t take tips” would make sense, but wish I understood it enough to explain why

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    6. Amy "Social Distancing" Hoy‏ @amyhoy 5 Dec 2018
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      tipping is a power differential. that’s why in some european countries, americans trying to tip a service person is actually offensive to the person you don’t tip your boss. your boss tips you

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      Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 5 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @amyhoy @sehurlburt

      Broadly agree with this. Tipping is also a fairly dramatically constrained class marker; it is rare in the middle class and unknown in professional class and up. Offering a tip suggests to someone that you're grouping them with stylists, massage therapists, or servers.

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        1. richfletcher‏ @richfletcher 5 Dec 2018
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          Ignoring the class implications, I am especially likely to tip if I suspect that the marginal utility of the tip amount would be substantially higher for the recipient than for me.

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        2. Danny  🐝‏ @ernmando 5 Dec 2018
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          Any thoughts on how this applies to non-cash gifts. The story of your twilio jacket comes to mind, and I can’t quite put my finger on why I consider it fundamentally different

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        3. Amy "Social Distancing" Hoy‏ @amyhoy 5 Dec 2018
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          giving a gift is definitely a token, like if you gave your friends a bottle of wine or concert tickets to thank them for helping you move that’s nice, a favor for a favor; if you give them money it’s weird unless you previously agreed

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