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Patrick McKenzie

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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    1. Stephanie Hurlburt‏ @sehurlburt 5 Dec 2018
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      I get asked why I don’t have a patreon or some other way for people to send $$ if they want. It’s because my business intuition tells me that’s a bad idea. If people want to support me they can refer established tech companies to my business. Not sure why this is my intuition yet

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    2. Stephanie Hurlburt‏ @sehurlburt 5 Dec 2018
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      I think it falls under the “Never charge for coffee meetings” line of thinking. @patio11 also commonly talks about how he either gives advice for free or for very large consulting fees most can’t afford. That line of thought.

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      Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 5 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @sehurlburt

      Somebody once tried to put a cash tip in my hands at a conference. I noped out of it so hard I was worried I was impolite, but that is also my considered reaction. CEOs don't take tips. In return for no substantial amount of money it says "I'm grasping and unserious" to buyers.

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        2. Amy "Social Distancing" Hoy‏ @amyhoy 5 Dec 2018
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          yes that’s it — CEOs don’t take tips. i used to have a tip jar on my old site back when i was an employee then consultant, before i had anything to sell. i would never do it today

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        3. Stephanie Hurlburt‏ @sehurlburt 5 Dec 2018
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          I can kind of feel intuitively why “CEOs don’t take tips” would make sense, but wish I understood it enough to explain why

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        2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 5 Dec 2018
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          A thing I say when spontaneously offered is "Consider donating the same amount extra the next time you donate to a charity of your choice, and think of me when you do it. That will make me more happy than the money will, and help someone who needs it."

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        3. Nerd curious abt psychology  🧠‏ @ClayNichols 5 Dec 2018
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          Also, to be Machiavellian: You are better off letting that deferred reciprocity stew for months or years until they see a way to refer real business to you. It's the same "cost' to them ($10 tip vs. mentioning "oh, Patrick does that) but the latter is 100x to u.

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        2. Amy "Social Distancing" Hoy‏ @amyhoy 5 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @patio11 @sehurlburt

          somebody did this to me too!! i told him he could join our group and pay for one of the pizzas instead

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        3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 5 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @amyhoy @sehurlburt

          That's a good deflection. (Sidenote but not entirely unrelated: class-inflected social norms about who pays for food and drinks are another minefield, particularly for folks who come to whatever our social class is later in life.)

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        2. निर्भीक चौहान‏ @nirbheek 5 Dec 2018
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          Oh god that story is making me cringe so hard. Was the vibe old-grandpa-giving-cash or something much worse?

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        3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 5 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @nirbheek @sehurlburt

          Just "Oh I'm such a fan of your work. Here, take some money." "... That's not something I do. Glad you like the work." "Really you can have it." "It would cause me headaches, international taxes etc etc, maybe just give it to charity and think of me." Poorly calibrated, not bad.

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        1. timunderwood‏ @timunderwood 5 Dec 2018
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          That's the right move. "Cash tips" can often be mistaken for bribes.

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        1. Dene Carter (finds the world strange right now)‏ @Fluttermind 5 Dec 2018
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          I had no idea this was a thing. It sounds about as awkward as a bribe.

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