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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    1. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 25 Nov 2018
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      Patrick McKenzie Retweeted Josh Pigford

      It would be a really nice thing if the JS community had one trivial test bed application with a README which listed exactly what one would need to do to boot it on localhost and an undone trivial feature to implement.https://twitter.com/Shpigford/status/1066523775775186944 …

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      Josh PigfordVerified account @Shpigford
      I've been building stuff on the web for 20+ years. I took a ~4 year break from most of the tech side and now I've spent the past 6 months trying to wrap my head around "modern" web technologies/tools/languages. I've got almost nothing to show for it. This is maddening.
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      Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 25 Nov 2018
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      The thing which gets me every time I get reacquainted with the Cool Kid Stack is not building things it is the toolchain churn that happens before the first pixel is painted on screen.

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        2. 「 𝙅𝙤𝙨𝙝 𝙈𝙖𝙣𝙙𝙚𝙧𝙨 」‏ @joshmanders 25 Nov 2018
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          toolchain churn? What toolchain churn are you seeing? Literally everything in the "cool kids stack" that I know of has been around for 3+ years and widely used since then too... Are we expecting tools to be 20+ years old before people stop complaining about them being to "new"?

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        3. Cody Sand  🇺🇸‏ @marpstar 25 Nov 2018
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          I blame webpack.

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        2. Joel  ⛈‏ @jhooks 25 Nov 2018
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          People make it overly complicated. Which is good for (my) business. It’s not a “cool kid stack”, but more of an infinite sea of personal preferences being met. It’s simpler than ever if you skip to the right bits and stop the self-flagellation of ecosystem exploration.

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        3. Josh Doody‏ @JoshDoody 26 Nov 2018
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          I think you (Joel) mentioned you already have a URL for this type of project, but I think a great egghead feature would be: “This is the path of least resistance to shipping your first thing in JavaScript.” Could be evergreen, but likely wouldn’t need to be updated very often.

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        1. Edward Vielmetti‏ @vielmetti 25 Nov 2018
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          One thing I can say about text munging tools and the Unix shell, things really haven't changed that much in 30 years (except that disk and memory and CPU are impossibly big and fast, and occasionally you need to parse JSON or YAML).

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        1. Cave Cattum‏ @fgcallari 25 Nov 2018
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          Cave Cattum Retweeted Glen Arrowsmith

          Seehttps://twitter.com/garrows/status/1065217184643768320 …

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          npm install... pic.twitter.com/c0YCG9Rk9f
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        1. mLuby‏ @mluby 25 Nov 2018
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          Applies to many programming languages and databases/infrastructures too. Time to "hello world" can be surprisingly long.

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        1. Sven Slootweg‏ @joepie91 25 Nov 2018
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          It's a very good reason to avoid the Cool Kid Stack. Chasing the latest tooling stack in JS-land is mostly a practice of the (extremely vocal) hype train; experienced developers don't generally do that.

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        1. Kyle Ries‏ @Kyle_Ries 25 Nov 2018
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          Would love to hear your thoughts on how/why development has trended in this direction relative to e.g. Rails convention over config mentality. Rails hooked me on development and soured me on Cool Kid Stack which stands in stark contrast.

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