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    1. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 18 Nov 2018
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      This is objectively true. A solo developer can still write a functioning operating system, and there's an existence proof for one of those toys becoming a non-toy in recent memory. You need +/- $100 million to write a web browser that can usefully interact with Youtube or Gmail. https://twitter.com/asteroid_saku/status/1064382583788584960 …

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      Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 18 Nov 2018
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      There are some really weird folk beliefs in programmer culture about which bits of infrastructure count as hard, like e.g. compilers (which are routinely scratchwritten by undergrads) and scheduling systems (again, undergrads) versus e.g. rendering engines.

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        2. frontier_anon‏ @frontier_anon 18 Nov 2018
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          WOW! For real?!? A single competent dev can write an OS but it requires at least $100m to write an app that can interface with Javascript, HTML5, and CSS? That to me doesn't sound like progress. Why am I wrong? Sincere question.

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        3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 18 Nov 2018
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          I mean, to a certain approximation, progress is "You routinely consume more value than you could hope to create in a hundred lifetimes working solo."

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        2. Richard Tibbetts‏ @tibbetts 19 Nov 2018
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          Compilers and OSes are the most complex software that someone will sit you down and teach you how to build. That leads to lots of people knowing they’re hard. A portable GUI toolkit, a photo editor, a debugger, or a pdf tenderer are also hard but no one teaches those.

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        3. the tiredest tran‏ @hindsightee 19 Nov 2018
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          i should really buy a pdf tenderer, they never cook right otherwise. (sorry, couldn't resist)

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        1. Chris Siebenmann‏ @thatcks 18 Nov 2018
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          As a counterpoint on new OSes, Rob Pike from 2000 with "System Software Research is Irrelevant" http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf …

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        1. Maciej Fijałkowski‏ @fijall 18 Nov 2018
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          A toy compiler is something "trivial". A production compiler for some real language is something that's not only expensive, but also can't be built in a year, it seems. Most compilers you use are 10+y old

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        1. Kevin Riggle‏ @kevinriggle 18 Nov 2018
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          A basic raytracer an undergrad project. Making it usable by anyone besides said undergrad is... not

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        1. Taiki‏ @Taiki__San 18 Nov 2018
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          That’s kind of misleading, as a toy web browser is not much more complex to write that a basic OS :P An OS capable of running Chrome though? As usual, the problem is making the thing fast enough/with enough features to be useful, and is the same in each of those topics

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        2. Saurabh Sharan‏ @saurabhsharan 18 Nov 2018
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          The undergrad compilers & schedulers are (intentionally) simplified versions of production-level ones. No different from how an undergrad-browser couldn't run YouTube/Gmail. Also, AFAIK most undergrad compilers aren't built from scratch and at least use some variant of lex/yacc.

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        3. deen-chan‏ @sir_deenicus 19 Nov 2018
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          This is my disagreement. Tisn't a like for like comparison. If undergrads are writing schedulars,it's either using existing work/libraries or doing something simple with hill climbing or simplex algorithm. Similarly,one can still write a quake engine or path tracer but not unreal

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