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I work for the Internet, at @stripe, mostly on accelerating startups. Opinions here are my own.

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    1. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 30 Sep 2018
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      Quoting inbox (per their approval): > A few uncomfortable conversations later and I got myself a free $10k in equity and $20k in sign-on bonus! That's about my salary in year 1 of my engineering career, just for saying "That offer is interesting. Can you do better?"

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      Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 30 Sep 2018
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      "What? Where do they pay $30k for engineers?" Nagoya; I was a Japanese salaryman for about ~6 years. (Interestingly while this was below what I thought was reasonably on table in US in 2004 I thought early career engineering salaries in midwest were probably $40~45k ish.)

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        2. hello again‏ @bobpoekert 30 Sep 2018
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          what do you think their total cost per year was to keep you employed?

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        3. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 30 Sep 2018
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          Hmm... $50k to $60k or so. (The differential is half the same overheads one would have in the US and half overtime pay and bonus, neither of which are guaranteed guaranteed but both of which would have been reasonably considered components of the offer.)

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        2. Colin Percival‏ @cperciva 30 Sep 2018
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          What you thought wages were in the midwest is not far off from what wages are in Vancouver, Canada (based on the current USDCAD exchange rate). I know software developers with 10+ years experience who lead 20+ member teams... and earn under $80k USD/year w/o any equity grants.

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        3. Kulveer  ⚡️‏Verified account @kul 30 Sep 2018
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          Where are they currently working? I’d hire them for more!

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        1. Heath Borders‏ @heathborders 30 Sep 2018
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          Those numbers are accurate. I graduated from Mizzou in December 2003, and my friends and I all got offers between 40k and 50k. I felt really great getting a 50k offer from @cerner.

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        1. kasey_junk‏ @kasey_junk 30 Sep 2018
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          My first software job out college in the Midwest in 1999 paid 32k.

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        2. Justin Searls‏Verified account @searls 30 Sep 2018
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          And they were. That's roughly what I was paid at a good firm in the Midwest out of college. Difference being that most of our salaryman friends are still paid shit, especially considering overtime whereas the market has more clearly responded in the US

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        3. Josh Schultz‏ @joshjs 30 Sep 2018
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          Ditto, midwest, ‘03.

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        1. Dusty (oh, now being a hermit is good?) Burwell‏ @dustyburwell 30 Sep 2018
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          Growing up in and starting my career in Kansas, I can attest to these being realistic numbers.

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        1. Dustin King  👽 🗽⚛︎‏ @cathodion 30 Sep 2018
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          Dustin King  👽 🗽⚛︎ Retweeted Patrick McKenzie

          Also West Virginia circa 2005-8. Probably was low partially due to transferring from tech support in the same company.https://twitter.com/patio11/status/1046569873688543232 …

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          Patrick McKenzie @patio11
          "What? Where do they pay $30k for engineers?" Nagoya; I was a Japanese salaryman for about ~6 years. (Interestingly while this was below what I thought was reasonably on table in US in 2004 I thought early career engineering salaries in midwest were probably $40~45k ish.)
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