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    Owen Smith 2016‏Verified account @owensmith2016 4 Aug 2016

    Confusion over Article 50https://amp.twimg.com/v/c2606bad-7a8e-48c0-9589-8e6b6c4b4a3a …

    1:08 PM - 4 Aug 2016
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    90 replies 765 retweets 494 likes
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      2. Paul Davies‏ @docdave60 4 Aug 2016
        Replying to @owensmith2016

        it's not confusion. Corbyn lied this evening. McDonnell lied earlier today. They must go.

        3 replies 40 retweets 62 likes
      3. Jimmy Jackery Jules‏ @waszx_jules 4 Aug 2016
        Replying to @docdave60

        Clearly it is. We have to invoke article 50 now, as in we didn't before. In the interview, there's no implication of immediacy.

        5 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. Paul Davies‏ @docdave60 6 Aug 2016
        Replying to @waszx_jules

        he said 'Article 50 must be invoked now.' Why say that if he didn't mean it?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Jimmy Jackery Jules‏ @waszx_jules 6 Aug 2016
        Replying to @docdave60

        He did, but there's multiple ways to use "now". It's like saying "we have to leave the EU now"...that we've voted to leave.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Jo‏ @Joventus_ 6 Aug 2016
        Replying to @waszx_jules @docdave60

        there are multiple meanings. But he meant "immediately" not "consequently". Watch full interview; Dimbleby clarifies

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Jo‏ @Joventus_ 6 Aug 2016
        Replying to @Joventus_ @waszx_jules @docdave60

        follow up question at 1.30 and answer around 2.10 for ease of reference :)https://youtu.be/R_dstsWkEFc 

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Jimmy Jackery Jules‏ @waszx_jules 6 Aug 2016
        Replying to @Joventus_ @docdave60

        He then says there must be a strategy and there must be a negotiation to get the best deal possible. That takes time.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. Jo‏ @Joventus_ 6 Aug 2016
        Replying to @waszx_jules @docdave60

        No, he agreed there must be a negotiation, but terms of article 50 allow for 2 years' negotiation once it's triggerd

        3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Richard Williams‏ @ccfcwills 4 Aug 2016
        Replying to @owensmith2016

        Not confusion. A lie.

        1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
      3. Jimmy Jackery Jules‏ @waszx_jules 4 Aug 2016
        Replying to @ccfcwills

        Nope. "We have to invoke article 50 now"...that we have voted to leave. There's no implication of immediacy in his use of now.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. Charlie Pybus‏ @seedy_pea 5 Aug 2016
        Replying to @waszx_jules @ccfcwills

        That is categorically not what he said. After now he says 'so that we can negotiate an exit from the EU'.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Jimmy Jackery Jules‏ @waszx_jules 5 Aug 2016
        Replying to @seedy_pea @ccfcwills

        So? That's what article 50 does. Even with your quote added, there's no implication of immediacy.

        3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Charlie Pybus‏ @seedy_pea 5 Aug 2016
        Replying to @waszx_jules @ccfcwills

        You can try and shamelessly claim that 'now' does not mean 'now' but please don't expect to be taken seriously.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Jimmy Jackery Jules‏ @waszx_jules 5 Aug 2016
        Replying to @seedy_pea @ccfcwills

        You mean by people who want to see the worst in him? Or are you unaware it has multiple uses? http://reallifeglobal.com/how-to-use-now-when-speaking-english/ …

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      9. Jimmy Jackery Jules‏ @waszx_jules 5 Aug 2016
        Replying to @seedy_pea @ccfcwills

        Be honest. Is there no part of you that *wants* to believe he meant "immediately", so you can get to call him a liar?

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Jimmy Jackery Jules‏ @waszx_jules 4 Aug 2016
        Replying to @owensmith2016

        There's no contradiction there. Article 50 does have to be invoked now, whereas it didn't before. Two kinds of now.

        2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. Jo‏ @Joventus_ 6 Aug 2016
        Replying to @waszx_jules @owensmith2016

        can listen to full interview (link above). Dimbleby clarified, why "now" not in future? JC meant NOW, now lying.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Jo‏ @Joventus_ 6 Aug 2016
        Replying to @Joventus_ @waszx_jules @owensmith2016

        the follow up q is at 1.30 and answer at 2.10 btw :)https://youtu.be/R_dstsWkEFc 

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. End of conversation
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      2. BlueNoseRed‏ @BlueNoseRed8 5 Aug 2016
        Replying to @owensmith2016 @jpublik

        Appears that you are confusing the words 'now' and 'immediately'. Also the result was out, agree or not #JC4PM

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Joe Public‏ @jpublik 5 Aug 2016
        Replying to @BlueNoseRed8 @owensmith2016

        Why is he not fighting against it? He'll need a strong economy to implement his policies. You can't with Bexit

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. BlueNoseRed‏ @BlueNoseRed8 5 Aug 2016
        Replying to @jpublik @owensmith2016

        You want him to fight against the result of a democratic vote? erm, that's not how democracy works...

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Joe Public‏ @jpublik 5 Aug 2016
        Replying to @BlueNoseRed8 @owensmith2016

        It is if the people don't know what they voted for. There should be a 2nd ref after the Brexit deal

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. BlueNoseRed‏ @BlueNoseRed8 5 Aug 2016
        Replying to @jpublik @owensmith2016

        then no result ever would stand. I voted what I took as Labour in 1997 - can I have a re-vote then?

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. Joe Public‏ @jpublik 5 Aug 2016
        Replying to @BlueNoseRed8 @owensmith2016

        Labour 97 still better than Tories 97. The voters were badly lied to and that's not democracy either

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. BlueNoseRed‏ @BlueNoseRed8 5 Aug 2016
        Replying to @jpublik @owensmith2016

        the voters are usually lied too; both sides lied about brexit. Re 97, at least I expect to get shafted by tories...

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      9. Joe Public‏ @jpublik 5 Aug 2016
        Replying to @BlueNoseRed8 @owensmith2016

        Did you vote Brexit?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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