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    1. James Lewis‏ @baldengineer 23 May 2018
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      I think that is a noble and great reason for hope. I just don’t see why they will care when money for their parts doesn’t have to go to the tools. When is the tipping point of “open tools for your competitor are so good, we choose them” happens?

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    2. Piotr Esden-Tempski @esden@chaos.social‏ @esden 23 May 2018
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      I think this will happen sooner than you think. People will start choosing parts based on the availability of the open tools. This will lead to an avalanche of changes. From interoperability to quality. Same as it happened with CPUs and open compiler and OS ecosystems.

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    3. James Lewis‏ @baldengineer 23 May 2018
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      That’s what KDE and GNOME said about desktop environments 20 years ago. Difference is new generations of FPGAs still are proprietary chunks of silicon. While “open” tools are great, no one is making an economic decision based on philosophy.

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    4. Piotr Esden-Tempski @esden@chaos.social‏ @esden 23 May 2018
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      Maybe in the US… many EU backed projects have to choose tools based on their openness if they want to get the money at all. So yes indeed they are making economic decisions based on philosophy of the tools they use.

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    5. Piotr Esden-Tempski @esden@chaos.social‏ @esden 23 May 2018
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      Also speaking for myself here: I do vote all the time with my wallet. Buying based on philosophy. Not everything is just focused on the VC funders ideals of margins and profit maximization. I am aware that I am likely a minority, but still.

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    6. James Lewis‏ @baldengineer 23 May 2018
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      That’s a fundamental difference for me. I don’t vote based on philosophy. I vote on what gets my job done.

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    7. Piotr Esden-Tempski @esden@chaos.social‏ @esden 23 May 2018
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      Why not both? :)

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    8. James Lewis‏ @baldengineer 23 May 2018
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      Explaining to a client I missed a deadline because I was waiting for a patch to be applied to a fork on GitHub rarely goes well.

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    9. Piotr Esden-Tempski @esden@chaos.social‏ @esden 23 May 2018
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      But your client is ok with you explaining that you missed a deadline because of a bug in a commercial software and you being too small of a fish for them to bother fixing it for you. :) You can always apply the patch in an open source software package yourself you know? :)

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    10. James Lewis‏ @baldengineer 23 May 2018
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      Blah. That argument is worse than “fix it yourself!” Unless you’ve spent years studying the code, the power to get a fix is no different. Except commercial software you have the power of payment. Maybe small and limited, but better than community standing.

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      Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩‏ @oe1cxw 24 May 2018
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      Ah, the good old "FPGA tools are so complicated, you need years of PhD work to do anything" argument. It's nonsense! I know a lot of people working on this kind of software. On free and on commercial projects. I have never heard one of the programmers say something like that. 1/3

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        2. Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩‏ @oe1cxw 24 May 2018
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          But sales people like to peddle this myth. SUN used similar "arguments" in the 80s regarding compilers. "It's all magic and you need to be a wizzard to do any kind of compiler development." That's not true of course. Today it's the same thing with FPGA tools. 2/3

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        3. Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩‏ @oe1cxw 24 May 2018
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          I have reported many bugs in Xilinx and Intel/Altera tools. Many of them bugs where the tool silently generates an incorrect circuit (which is a "critical bug" imo). Many of them super easy to fix. But the vendors take years to fix them, if they fix them at all. 3/3

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