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Neurodiverse trans geek girl. Yosys, RISC-V, SAT/SMT.

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    Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩‏ @oe1cxw 28 Jan 2018
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    I've been asked to give a 20 minutes presentation on Spectre and Meltdown this Tuesday (Jan 30): http://quintessenz.at/d/000100034598  Yes, I told them that I'm not really a processor security person. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Here are my slides: http://www.clifford.at/papers/2018/spectre/ … Constructive feedback is welcome.

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      2. s.t.‏ @stefanct 28 Jan 2018
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        **way** too much text on many slides, especially "Out-of-order execution in modern CPUs" and "Spectre Mitigations". for the cache explanation i'd use some picture of the hierarchy that shows (the data of) one cache line in various places.

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      3. vapourphase cilia‏ @d_ilia_dt 28 Jan 2018
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        What @stefanct said!

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      1. wallento‏ @wallento 28 Jan 2018
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        I did the same in my company. Spent a bit more on the difference of micro-architecture and processor architecture. Also highlighted it's not ignorance, but the side effect of many years of performance boosts, and people should be expecting more of that kind..

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      1. Kevin Hubbard‏ @bml_khubbard 28 Jan 2018
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        Nice paper. On the bright side, they didn't ask you to explain it in just 5 minutes.

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      1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Jan 2018
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        Have you seen my take on this? The Spectre variants (which are really two completely separate issues) go quite a bit beyond biting JS/JITs. They can be used cross-process in principle. IMO we will never get rid of Variant 1 via CPU fix, but 2,3 are doable. https://github.com/marcan/speculation-bugs …

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      1. vapourphase cilia‏ @d_ilia_dt 28 Jan 2018
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        Info and presentation flow looks good - only suggestion might be to break up the most verbose slides, unless you're distributing paper printouts to many people.

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      2. Jan Gray‏ @jangray 28 Jan 2018
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        RE: Spectre Mitigations slide, I doubt that hidden L1 cache slots mitigate Spectre-esque attacks. Any speculative cache access side effects, such as coherence state transitions in other caches, NoC traffic, L3 cache churn, DRAM traffic, QPI to other sockets, may be measured.

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      3. Jan Gray‏ @jangray 28 Jan 2018
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        The basis of the problem is speculation x sharing. (Sharing also encompasses power and thermal budgets.) To preclude these problems, disallow speculation, or disallow shared resources, or disallow commingling of my software and untrusted software on shared resources.

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      2. Just a Device‏ @JustADevice 28 Jan 2018
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        2x typos on slide "Spectre Mitigations": extend -> extent

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      3. Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩‏ @oe1cxw 28 Jan 2018
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        thanks. fixed.

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