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Claire Xen 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM 🏴🚩
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Neurodiverse trans geek girl. Yosys, RISC-V, SAT/SMT.

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    1. Martin Nyx Brain‏ @ciphernyx 3 May 2020
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      So, here's a thing. Years ago I remember Matti presenting a graph of an experiment he did. Each time the solver pruned the clause database, he recorded it and tracked how many were repeated. Turns out after a while 80-90% of learnt clauses were duplicates.

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    2. Martin Nyx Brain‏ @ciphernyx 3 May 2020
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      Every proof of completeness for CDCL variants I have seen has been hand-wavy as anything. So... 1. I am not sure that "will eventually return an answer" is true. 2. Once you take learnt clause pruning into account, I think CDCL may be more than exponential.

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    3. Jannis Harder‏ @jix_ 3 May 2020
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      As long as the number of conflicts between restarts grows unbounded, you don't need to keep learned clauses at all to get completeness. Not sure what's currently used but with luby restarts that takes care of 1. Still growing way too slow to really help with 2 though.

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    4. Jannis Harder‏ @jix_ 3 May 2020
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      Nevermind the part about 2, I think it grows fast enough to still give you an exponential worst case bound, but I haven't checked that carefully. In any case no issue with completeness though.

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    5. Martin Nyx Brain‏ @ciphernyx 3 May 2020
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      No offense meant but this is what I mean about handwaving. Yes, one can construct a theoretical solver that doesn't repeat itself and is exponential worst-case but that is not what actual solvers do.

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    6. Jannis Harder‏ @jix_ 3 May 2020
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      Replying to @ciphernyx @oe1cxw @OlofKindgren

      This applies to my SAT solver and I think it also applies to minisat

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    7. Jannis Harder‏ @jix_ 3 May 2020
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      Jannis Harder Retweeted Jannis Harder

      Also not sure if you saw this, as I screwed up the threading:https://twitter.com/jix_/status/1256931027211165696 …

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      Jannis Harder @jix_
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      From Lintao Zhang's PhD thesis: "The value of function f will monotonically increase regardless of whether any learned clauses are added or deleted. Therefore, contrary to common belief, deleting learned clauses cannot cause the solving process to loop indefinitely."
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    8. Jannis Harder‏ @jix_ 3 May 2020
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      The point is, that without restarts or with unbounded time between restarts, the trail + asserting clauses is enough state to ensure progress. AFAICT that applies to all modern SAT solvers unless they have a fixed upper bound on time between restarts (which I don't know).

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    9. Olof Kindgren‏ @OlofKindgren 3 May 2020
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      I feel a bit like I got pulled into a thread that somewhat missed the point

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    10. Martin Nyx Brain‏ @ciphernyx 3 May 2020
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      Sorry 😕 I did add a "ruining a good joke for the sake of a discussion" somewhere...

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      Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩‏ @oe1cxw 3 May 2020
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      Replying to @ciphernyx @OlofKindgren @jix_

      FWIW this is one of the very few ways of saying "it could have been worse" regarding the original point of me delaying my coming out by 20+ years that I will allow. ;)

      7:44 AM - 3 May 2020
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        1. Martin Nyx Brain‏ @ciphernyx 3 May 2020
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          Martin Nyx Brain Retweeted Martin Nyx Brain

          Yeah, it's tough the number of coming out events I have to ruin and you're right that it is tougher on the younger ones. Poor kids, so mixed up, barely know their DPLL from their CDCL...https://mobile.twitter.com/ciphernyx/status/1256913217709846529 …

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          Ruining a good joke with skepticism about the long-run behaviour and actual complexity of CDCL SAT solvers. https://twitter.com/ciphernyx/status/1256911655038042114 …
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        1. Martin Nyx Brain‏ @ciphernyx 3 May 2020
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          Also, when faced with an exponentially hard task, 20 years is no time at all!

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