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    1. Olof Kindgren‏ @OlofKindgren 7 Aug 2019
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      Alright. According to my analysis SERV uses 1456 gates (+ one 4x288 bits of RAM. Unfortunately I have no idea whatsoever if this is the correct way to do a gate count.

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    2. Olof Kindgren‏ @OlofKindgren 7 Aug 2019
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      Oh wait, you're supposed to include the FFs in a gate count so that would make it 1735 gates.... according to...some method of calculating this number

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    3. Tudor Timi‏ @TudorTimi 7 Aug 2019
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      Replying to @OlofKindgren

      My colleagues don't count one FF as a single gate. I think they say that a flip-flop is N gate equivalents, where N depends on the technology.

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    4. Olof Kindgren‏ @OlofKindgren 7 Aug 2019
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      Perhaps it's a combination of a flip gate and a flop gate? :) But yeah, I think the correct way is to first get the area and then divide by the mean cell size. Haven't figured out how to get there yet though

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    5. Dave  🏳️‍🌈‏ @fpga_dave 7 Aug 2019
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      Replying to @OlofKindgren @TudorTimi

      afaik most DFFs these days are two D-latches in series, one enabled by clk and the other by !clk. So "combination of a flip gate and a flop gate" isn't far off :P

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    6. Dave  🏳️‍🌈‏ @fpga_dave 7 Aug 2019
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      Replying to @fpga_dave @OlofKindgren @TudorTimi

      Yosys uses the following "transistor count" costs for combinational gates when you do `stat -tech cmos`: https://github.com/YosysHQ/yosys/blob/master/kernel/cost.h#L53-L68 … and counts a DFF as 16 transistors

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    7. Olof Kindgren‏ @OlofKindgren 7 Aug 2019
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      Hmm.. I've been typing random yosys command all morning but hadn't seen that. Doesn't work for me though. Maybe need a newer yosys version

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      Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩‏ @oe1cxw 7 Aug 2019
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      Replying to @OlofKindgren @fpga_dave @TudorTimi

      "stat -tech cmos" is pretty new, and I merged changes related to it just a few hours ago. So it's not unlikely that you'll need to update Yosys. Note that some of the gate costs (mux, xor) are conservative. More efficient implementations using pass transistors exist.

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        2. Olof Kindgren‏ @OlofKindgren 7 Aug 2019
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          Replying to @oe1cxw @fpga_dave @TudorTimi

          Cool, so newbie question here. Am I supposed to run synth first? And then abc -g something? Can it do a gate count on my RF SRAM or should I handle that separately?

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        3. Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩‏ @oe1cxw 7 Aug 2019
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          Replying to @OlofKindgren @fpga_dave @TudorTimi

          Yes, run "synth" first, then "abc -g cmos". See here for a usage example: https://github.com/riscv/riscv-bitmanip/blob/master/verilog/rvb_clmul/synth.py … As I'm not familiar with the details of your flow I'm assuming that RAM is just a black box for Yosys in your case. In this case you'd have to handle it separately.

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