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Neurodiverse trans geek girl. Yosys, RISC-V, SAT/SMT.

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    1. Martin Nyx Brain‏ @ciphernyx 5 Nov 2018
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      Yices : ever thought of a great idea, implemented it and then found you still couldn't beat another solver because they thought of it first? It was Yices that thought of it first.

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    2. Martin Nyx Brain‏ @ciphernyx 5 Nov 2018
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      Z3 : the most famous and widely used solver because of it's robust performance and speedy support.

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    3. Martin Nyx Brain‏ @ciphernyx 5 Nov 2018
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      All gratuitously my opinion, YMMV, hope that helps.

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    4. Geoff Langdale‏ @geofflangdale 5 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @ciphernyx @oe1cxw @johnregehr

      Thanks so much! I've looked at SMTCOMP results before but still been a bit lost. Good advice on sticking to smtlib format - I was lazy and the Python interface was tempting. But I've seen most of my workload turn to bitvector stuff so CVC4, Boolector and Yices seem worth trying.

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    5. Geoff Langdale‏ @geofflangdale 5 Nov 2018
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      ... honestly, at this stage, the best solver is nice, but community and documentation are important. I'm having a lot of trouble with the gap between "hi noob, want to solve Sudoku or find a De Bruijin sequence?" and scientific papers that assume I'm already a SMT researcher.

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    6. Geoff Langdale‏ @geofflangdale 5 Nov 2018
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      As I've said before, I feel like one of those apes in 2001 poking the monolith with a stick whenever I use an SMT solver. Building a better mental model of how it works - preferably without having to ingest enough theory to become an SMT researcher in the process - would be nice.

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    7. Rolf Rolles‏ @RolfRolles 5 Nov 2018
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      My best advice is to rewrite your query in every different way you can think to issue it, observe the often initially counter-intuitive performance differences, and A/B test your way to acceptable performance. I rewrote some 2KLOC queries 10+ times. Not ideal but builds intuition

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    8. Rolf Rolles‏ @RolfRolles 5 Nov 2018
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      Some theory helps, too. E.g., the equality theory is one of the simpler ones. Try replacing every possible part of your query with an equality predicate of some sort. You might be shocked at the results... I was.

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    9. Rolf Rolles‏ @RolfRolles 5 Nov 2018
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      Aggressively eliminate the more complex theories whenever possible. Using the array theory? Maybe you can get away with just the bitvector theory if you pose the query differently somehow.

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    10. Geoff Langdale‏ @geofflangdale 6 Nov 2018
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      Thanks! I've been thinking of making arrays go away for one task that I'm modelling. Unfortunately, there's another task where I can't imagine how to do it without arrays (for those into that sort of thing, modelling the x86 instructions PEXT or PDEP and generating a const mask).

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      Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩‏ @oe1cxw 6 Nov 2018
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      Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩 Retweeted Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩

      We need to compare notes on that one.https://twitter.com/oe1cxw/status/1050860235139817472 …

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      Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩 @oe1cxw
      Replying to @johnregehr
      I'd be really interested in using program synthesis with bext/bdep. But I have no idea what an efficient smt encoding for these instructions would/should look like.
      2:22 AM - 6 Nov 2018
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        2. Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩‏ @oe1cxw 6 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @oe1cxw @geofflangdale and

          One thing I have on my todo list is playing with the following: PEXT is a bwd butterfly circuit with pre-and-mask, PDEP a fwd butterfly circuit with post-and-mask. But those butterflies are more powerful than PEXT/PDEP.

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        3. Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩‏ @oe1cxw 6 Nov 2018
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          So maybe I can find an efficient way of constraint those butterfly control signals to only implement permutations that correlate to PEXT/PDEP. (This idea is based on the insights from http://palms.ee.princeton.edu/PALMSopen/hilewitz06FastBitCompression.pdf ….)

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        2. Geoff Langdale‏ @geofflangdale 6 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @oe1cxw @RolfRolles and

          OK, so the butterfly idea is way ahead of mine. For PEXT/bext, I was imagining (pls don't laugh, I am SMT noob) that we'd generate an array with constraints dictating strictly ascending bits (obvs in the range of 0..bitwidth-1) and shift/extract the bits.

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        3. Claire Xen  🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🧙🏻‍♀️ BLM  🏴 🚩‏ @oe1cxw 6 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @geofflangdale @RolfRolles and

          I think that's a perfectly fine way of encoding PEXT if it's fast enough. I wouldn't use an array for that though. Simply use 32/64 individual variables. (Array abstraction only makes sense if you don't access all 2^N elements, otherwise just using 2^N individual vars is better.)

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        1. Martin Nyx Brain‏ @ciphernyx 6 Nov 2018
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          If there is a copy of the notes going past I can have a look if that would help. The cost trade-off between hardware and SMT are different in subtle ways.

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