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    1. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 9 May 2018
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      But then it does go back to my question, when is something scientism, what are the criteria? Because using science to make sure other fields (philosophy/politics/morality) are realistic is not scientism, imho. But using science to prescribe things for those fields is.

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 9 May 2018
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      I think we agree on the things you are saying in your last two sentences.

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    3. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 9 May 2018
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      So not everybody using science to say something about these other fields is necessary committing scientism. And I assume a subjective criteria, basically “I disagree, therefor scientism”, is not how we want to identify scientism either. So what objective criteria to use?

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    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 9 May 2018
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      There is no such thing as objective criteria. It's not a coincidence an extreme right ideology is called Objectivism. Assuming these is one true way to do something is the same trap scientism falls into.

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    5. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 9 May 2018
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      But surely something else then “it feel this way to me”? You wrote a whole article about it, what main indicators would you use?

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 9 May 2018
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      I did. Feel free to check it out. Twitter isn't idea too expound on my views, so I wrote an article.

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    7. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 9 May 2018
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      '[scientism] is equated with lunatic positions, such as that “science is all that matters” or that “scientists should be entrusted to solve all problems”' quote from Pinker from the article. So he does not think "only truth is that which can be reached via the scientific method".

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 9 May 2018
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      No, that's the point. He doesn't REALLY think that. But he also does. It's an illogical position so it's not like anybody genuinely believes that science is the only path to truth. But many claim it is. That's the crux of the issue.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 9 May 2018
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      I have a feeling you think that by latching on to specific quotes from Pinker or Harris that you can "prove" they are not scientismists.

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    10. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 9 May 2018
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      Well, so far that article quotes only one person, Pinker, and the quote shows exactly the opposite. I agree that whoever does those things in the article is committing scientism, but I cannot see how Pinker fits in there unless severely misunderstood or straw-manned.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 9 May 2018
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      OK, well, thanks for sharing.

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        2. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 9 May 2018
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          I think there are people who try to be objective and analytic first, know all options, then see what it all means and what to do. And people who are first about what does this mean for me, mean for others, what are the moral implications. 1/2

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        3. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 9 May 2018
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          I am very much in the first. And I have a hard time understanding those who reason more form the second. But I want to get more feeling for it. Sorry if my questions were somewhat critical, but it's how we come to know other ways of thinking. 2/2

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