It can mean a few things, I am using it more like this: "An example of this second usage is to label as scientism any attempt to claim science as the only or primary source of human values or as the source of meaning and purpose" – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism
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As humans, we look for explanations that helps us recognize what is going on and help us predict what might be next. Science is the continuous quest for good models and the benchmark is the accuracy of the predictions, secondary, how well it fits with other models. 1/2
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And roughly there are two kinds of models: 1. external behavioral/statistical models; 2. internal causal models (with perhaps statistical submodels). Science (and people) really prefer 2, but they are the hardest to obtain. Crossing that "why-line" too soon is dangerous. 2/2
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I'm glad you think models are really important. Many in science sadly overlook them. In fact I often worry I'm not scientific enough because I'm a comp modeller. However, I'm a little surprised you feel the need to explain this to me.
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haha, sorry, that was not my intention, I am merely establishing our common ground, see where our thinking diverges. Since you were just explaining to me your views on science …
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But then it does go back to my question, when is something scientism, what are the criteria? Because using science to make sure other fields (philosophy/politics/morality) are realistic is not scientism, imho. But using science to prescribe things for those fields is.
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I think we agree on the things you are saying in your last two sentences.
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So not everybody using science to say something about these other fields is necessary committing scientism. And I assume a subjective criteria, basically “I disagree, therefor scientism”, is not how we want to identify scientism either. So what objective criteria to use?
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There is no such thing as objective criteria. It's not a coincidence an extreme right ideology is called Objectivism. Assuming these is one true way to do something is the same trap scientism falls into.
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I hope that helps clarify stuff.
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