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    1. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 29 Apr 2018
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      after reading about him in the book, i looked up Ota Benga’s tragic story. a Congolese pygmy who was purchased from slave traders and displayed in Bronx at a “human zoo”. Not being able to return to Africa, he committed suicide at the age of 32. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ota_Benga?wprov=sfti1 …

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    2. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 5 May 2018
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      Wow Marks keeps adding more fascinating examples of ethical breaches in the history of science. I had never heard of “The Great Ivy League Nude Posture Photo Scandal” until now. Here’s a piece on it from @nytimes archives.https://mobile.nytimes.com/1995/01/15/magazine/the-great-ivy-league-nude-posture-photo-scandal.html …

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    3. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 6 May 2018
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      “Only a complete ignorabimus takes all data at face value.” a quote by Marks I enjoy out of context.

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    4. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 6 May 2018
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      “sometimes being smart can entail shutting up and not exposing the scope of your ignorance, so that your prejudices are not confused with actual knowledge.”—another quote, particularly relevant to scientists doing sci-comm. it’s important to know when/on what topics to shut up.

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    5. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 7 May 2018
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      Marks on evolutionary psychology: “What the evolutionary psychologists have managed to do is legitimize an intellectual space in which to rationalize differences of gender under the banner of evolution.”pic.twitter.com/s3xOjHxs3f

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    6. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 7 May 2018
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      Unfortunately, facts and good models about the world, don't always line up with what we want. If sports see an important difference, why expect science not to be able to quantify it? But science only maps out reality, it does not tell us what is good or bad, or what we must want.

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 May 2018
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      Are you saying evo psych is much like scientism? Trying to provide a moral compass using science instead of admitting that morality and ethics are meta scientific, right?

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    8. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 7 May 2018
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      Science makes objective observations of quantifiable effects. That can include human or monkey (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018506X08000949 …) behavior/attitudes. Those who think these are, or lead to, or are a base for, moral judgements are the ones committing scientism.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 8 May 2018
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      Yes, they are. I'm a bit confused as to what this means for this thread specifically?

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    10. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 8 May 2018
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      Those who do evo psych *can* be committing scientism, or *can* be reporting objective observations. But those who oppose evo psych are also committing scientism, like this page does. Or would you disagree? https://twitter.com/zerdeve/status/993500147106529282 …

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 8 May 2018
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      I don't know what your angle is. Sorry. How is critique of evolutionary psychology turn into scientism?

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        2. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 8 May 2018
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          A critique of evo psych can not be: they find the genders to be different and that is a horrible outcome. That is scientism. Only two valid critiques are possible: 1. genders are not different, the data is wrong; 2. causal link between differences to other observations is wrong.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 8 May 2018
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          Replying to @onnlucky @zerdeve

          I've a feeling we don't agree on the definition of scientism.

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        4. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 8 May 2018
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          It can mean a few things, I am using it more like this: "An example of this second usage is to label as scientism any attempt to claim science as the only or primary source of human values or as the source of meaning and purpose" – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism 

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        5. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 8 May 2018
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          But regardless, the moment science and it's results are not viewed objectively, it becomes a political or philosophical expression. And can, and should, be critically interpreted there. But science can only be criticized when it failed to stay objective or when shown incorrect.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 8 May 2018
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          I've actually written this on Scientism http://sjwiki.org/wiki/Scientism 

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        7. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 8 May 2018
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          Would you agree that we can and should use science to keep our beliefs, our stories, our examples, our morality realistic? (The stories and examples insofar they claim to be portraying reality, fiction/fantasy is fine, of course.)

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 9 May 2018
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          Highly loaded question which itself is philosophical position.

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        9. onnlucky 🍀‏ @onnlucky 9 May 2018
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          It's not a science question indeed. 1. But can we? Eg. say something about homeopath? Say something about Gilgamesh and if it is fantasy or history? 2. If a person applies science that way (for themselves and whoever is interested), is that scientism?

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