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    1. Benjamin Kentish‏Verified account @BenKentish 25 Apr 2018
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      This is from the Rivers of Blood speech. On whether foreign students could be classed as immigrants, Theresa May is to the right of Enoch Powell.pic.twitter.com/V9ji0iTI5j

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    2. Daily Pedantry‏ @DailyPedantry 25 Apr 2018
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      The EU Blue Card also doesn’t consider its holders to be immigrants. So, in Germany, it does not contain the requirement that one acquire German, nor does it grant any right to classes for cultural assimilation. The central idea being these people would work here, then return.

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    3. Daily Pedantry‏ @DailyPedantry 25 Apr 2018
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      This of course does not preclude these people changing their status. If one can speak German at B1 level, then after 22 months one can turn an EU Blue Card into an indefinite permission of settlement, which is a permanent residency, and thus now fully an “immigrant”.

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    4. Daily Pedantry‏ @DailyPedantry 25 Apr 2018
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      But the benefits of not being classified as an immigrant upfront is super useful, as they have skills of interest to Germany’s interests, and thus “short-circuit” around more typical requirements of immigrants, such as German proficiency, and cultural assimilation.

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Apr 2018
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      This is a bit of a tangent, but to me "cultural assimilation" has way tog negative baggage in practice (as well as in theory TBH) to actually be a healthy or even attainable goal for immigrants.

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    6. Daily Pedantry‏ @DailyPedantry 25 Apr 2018
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      Absolutely, but the term typically doesn’t carry the same meanings here. As mentioned, immigrants have a right to classes teaching them about German culture, etc. Completion of this course is sufficient evidence of duty to assimilate, not some subjective criteria of life style.

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    7. Daily Pedantry‏ @DailyPedantry 25 Apr 2018
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      In many ways, I suppose the German bureaucracy works for their favor here. In an anti-Kafka-esque way, if you have the form saying you have completed your assimilation training, then the government says you have assimilated, regardless of other “IRL” factors.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @DailyPedantry @BenKentish

      I'm not a brown or black person in Germany, but I am a very very tiny globally ethnic minority in the UK and your comments are under an OP about the UK.

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        2. Daily Pedantry‏ @DailyPedantry 25 Apr 2018
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          Yes. What I was hoping to do is more so contrast EU and German classifications of “non-immigrant” to demonstrate that the term alone is not inherently a bad classification. The UK, however, is not handling any part of immigration well.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Apr 2018
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          It isn't. I'm an immigrant, I moved to the UK when I was 18 and stayed. However, technically using the technical home office jargon I'm not. All because I happened to have inherited a UK passport. However somebody who moved to the UK at say 5 years old, isn't an immigrant. But..

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Apr 2018
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          But again using home office jargon, they now are. One can't dismantle the BS of the home office if one just accepts their jargon. I refuse to.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Apr 2018
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          Previously these same people who moved when they were children, weren't immigrants in the eyes of the home office. Just because they change jargon doesn't change the real use of the word.

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        6. Daily Pedantry‏ @DailyPedantry 25 Apr 2018
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          Absolutely. This “defining people out of a class” is the favorite way of removing rights from people, and it is disgusting.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Apr 2018
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          Yuuuup.

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