I do worry about plagiarised code though. A lot. Because pretty much everybody used to collude and/or outright cheat (obviously without giving credit). And in my experience, most of them have no idea they are breaking the rules, misrepresenting themselves, etc.
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I kinda think this is one of those cases where learning and evaluation are in tension. Students working on problems together is great! But for evaluation they kinda have to pretend that they didn't.
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Of course a lot of cheating isn't really students working together, but again that only happens at all because evaluation creates the incentive to cheat
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I really disagree. From personal and other experience, we know it's only in group students who help each other. That means out group people get lower marks by definition... And we know who in group people are in compsci, white, male, able bodied, etc.
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Replying to @o_guest
Yeah, that is a major problem, and I'm definitely not suggesting that the status quo is good, but I still think group work and collaboration are vital for learning. I don't know how to reconcile these issues.
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One of the reasons I left compsci was that being in the out group and having that rubbed in my face affected me. And significantly more so than any positive I ever got from group work. That was a decade plus ago though so perhaps change has been afoot?
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Yeah, the fact that marginalised people are excluded from its benefits is a major part of why group work creates problems, but when group work works it really does work very well, which is part of why it has such a strong exclusionary effect - its benefits accrue to privileged.
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IIRC there's been some research on this phenomenon in the context of people of colour (I think primarily african-american?) in US universities, but my memory of the subject is so vague I can't really say more about it than that.
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Yes, there's lots of work in psychology on this. Of course.
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And I thought
@o_guest had a PhD in Psychology...
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