Yeah it's entirely possible that they "only" had to write down high level descriptions of algorithms etc. and I was sufficiently naive about programming at the time that I didn't understand the difference! (I didn't really learn to program until after my undergrad)
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Replying to @DRMacIver @o_guest
Agreed that in general I would much rather people do take-home programming assignments than under time pressure. I've applied that principle to designing job interviews too!
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I do worry about plagiarised code though. A lot. Because pretty much everybody used to collude and/or outright cheat (obviously without giving credit). And in my experience, most of them have no idea they are breaking the rules, misrepresenting themselves, etc.
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I kinda think this is one of those cases where learning and evaluation are in tension. Students working on problems together is great! But for evaluation they kinda have to pretend that they didn't.
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Replying to @DRMacIver @o_guest
Of course a lot of cheating isn't really students working together, but again that only happens at all because evaluation creates the incentive to cheat
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I really disagree. From personal and other experience, we know it's only in group students who help each other. That means out group people get lower marks by definition... And we know who in group people are in compsci, white, male, able bodied, etc.
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Replying to @o_guest
Yeah, that is a major problem, and I'm definitely not suggesting that the status quo is good, but I still think group work and collaboration are vital for learning. I don't know how to reconcile these issues.
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unfortunately, everytime I tried nobody but the in-group people wanted to join my group, no matter how many incentives were on the table for everyone else, we were never appealing since we did not belong to "their group" but somehow we got the blame for being "the group"
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Replying to @sysrex @DRMacIver
What? You tried to help women and they rejected you, you mean?
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Replying to @o_guest @DRMacIver
nope, not what I meant. I did not try to help anyone, I wanted to get more people involved as peers but we ended up with the same group everytime
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I'm not too surprised. What's the bit about blame about — who blamed you and for what?
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