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    1. David R. MacIver‏ @DRMacIver 7 Apr 2018
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      Yeah there have been a couple of cases where I think the student just clearly fell apart under the pressure and I felt really bad for them. I think when I did my undergrad CS students had to hand-write code under exam conditions. I hope I'm misremembering because it sounds awful

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Apr 2018
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      That's pretty tough too. We only had take home assignments that involved code. The exams were mostly formalisms for algos, so maths, words and theory, if I recall correctly. The assignments were pretty fun. I definitely learned the most during those, by far.

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    3. David R. MacIver‏ @DRMacIver 7 Apr 2018
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      Yeah it's entirely possible that they "only" had to write down high level descriptions of algorithms etc. and I was sufficiently naive about programming at the time that I didn't understand the difference! (I didn't really learn to program until after my undergrad)

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    4. David R. MacIver‏ @DRMacIver 7 Apr 2018
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      Agreed that in general I would much rather people do take-home programming assignments than under time pressure. I've applied that principle to designing job interviews too!

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Apr 2018
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      I do worry about plagiarised code though. A lot. Because pretty much everybody used to collude and/or outright cheat (obviously without giving credit). And in my experience, most of them have no idea they are breaking the rules, misrepresenting themselves, etc.

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    6. David R. MacIver‏ @DRMacIver 7 Apr 2018
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      I kinda think this is one of those cases where learning and evaluation are in tension. Students working on problems together is great! But for evaluation they kinda have to pretend that they didn't.

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    7. David R. MacIver‏ @DRMacIver 7 Apr 2018
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      Of course a lot of cheating isn't really students working together, but again that only happens at all because evaluation creates the incentive to cheat

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Apr 2018
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      I really disagree. From personal and other experience, we know it's only in group students who help each other. That means out group people get lower marks by definition... And we know who in group people are in compsci, white, male, able bodied, etc.

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    9. David R. MacIver‏ @DRMacIver 7 Apr 2018
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      Yeah, that is a major problem, and I'm definitely not suggesting that the status quo is good, but I still think group work and collaboration are vital for learning. I don't know how to reconcile these issues.

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    10. Alex Kiss‏ @sysrex 7 Apr 2018
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      unfortunately, everytime I tried nobody but the in-group people wanted to join my group, no matter how many incentives were on the table for everyone else, we were never appealing since we did not belong to "their group" but somehow we got the blame for being "the group"

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Apr 2018
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      What? You tried to help women and they rejected you, you mean?

      3:17 AM - 7 Apr 2018
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        2. Alex Kiss‏ @sysrex 7 Apr 2018
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          oh and very subtle innuendo bravo bravo

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Apr 2018
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          People pointing out potential innuendos and being sarcastic/mocking me for them in my speech was really common in compsci. Since emigrating to the UK it's been something that really confused and upset me. It stopped when I left compsci. Interesting that you also did it here.

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        4. Alex Kiss‏ @sysrex 7 Apr 2018
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          you literally implied that I wanted to help women and they rejected me while talking about a quite serious matter , there was no sarcasm / mockery

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Apr 2018
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          And it seems like I was right that they didn't want to participate and you wanted them to. I just used "reject" and you assumed I was hinting at a romantic rejection.

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        6. Alex Kiss‏ @sysrex 7 Apr 2018
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          my bad then, poor choice of words and / or lack of caffeine

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Apr 2018
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          Appreciated & caffeine is very important. ☕️🌸

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        2. Alex Kiss‏ @sysrex 7 Apr 2018
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          nope, not what I meant. I did not try to help anyone, I wanted to get more people involved as peers but we ended up with the same group everytime

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Apr 2018
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          I'm not too surprised. What's the bit about blame about — who blamed you and for what?

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