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    1. Tim van der Zee‏ @Research_Tim 28 Feb 2018
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      What appears to be the strongest predictor of college grades? Attending classes. (Link: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.3102/0034654310362998 …).pic.twitter.com/9r7D8Z1Exv

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    2. Tim van der Zee‏ @Research_Tim 28 Feb 2018
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      In terms of grades (and learning), the best thing you can do is attend classes. The second best thing seems to be the quality of your study skills. In other words, you have to repeatedly, consistently, and meaningfully engage with what you want to learn.

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Feb 2018
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      Would love to see the individual differences for each subject/field. It really felt to me like those getting 1sts in CompSci undergrad (and who eventually had a 1st overall) were those who never showed up to anything much.

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    4. Harry Crane‏ @HarryDCrane 28 Feb 2018
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      Learning styles factor in here. I have a short attention span, so can't follow along for 45min - 1.5 hrs lectures = waste of time. I showed up to class 1x per week for admin purposes only (i.e. to make sure I didn't accidentally miss an exam).

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    5. Tim van der Zee‏ @Research_Tim 28 Feb 2018
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      Learning styles (such as preferences for text, class, video, face-to-face, etc) don't really affect how you learn. They are just preferences which affect how we think we learn.

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    6. Harry Crane‏ @HarryDCrane 28 Feb 2018
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      Nonsense. For extreme example, if I'm illiterate I *cannot* learn by reading. Obviously sitting in lecture will be better than reading a book -- b/c fits my learning style. Similarly, if I'm incapable of listening for 1 hr straight, other methods are more effective

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Feb 2018
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      I think you two might be about to start a big misunderstanding. Here's why "learning styles" raises alarm bells: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/mar/12/no-evidence-to-back-idea-of-learning-styles …

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        2. Harry Crane‏ @HarryDCrane 28 Feb 2018
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          Any misunderstanding must be due to difference in meaning of term "learning styles". I agree that common excuses, e.g., `the teacher doesn't fit my learning style', are nonsense. But hard to deny that some students might prefer 1 way of learning over another.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Feb 2018
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          Yes, it's a specific expression.

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        4. Harry Crane‏ @HarryDCrane 28 Feb 2018
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          All I'm trying to point out is that there is *zero* causation b/w attendance and grades. It's all association.

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        5. Tim van der Zee‏ @Research_Tim 28 Feb 2018
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          Replying to @HarryDCrane @o_guest

          Based on what data?

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        6. Harry Crane‏ @HarryDCrane 28 Feb 2018
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          This is a question that lies beyond the boundaries of what data can show. You can't prove causation with data alone, similarly can't disprove it.

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        7. Tim van der Zee‏ @Research_Tim 28 Feb 2018
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          ... yes, that is a given. Yet you're saying that there is zero causation between attendance and grades, which is a pretty big claim, so I was wondering based on what you are making it?

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        8. Harry Crane‏ @HarryDCrane 28 Feb 2018
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          Based on (1) adopting no causation as my default position until proven otherwise and (2) the lack of any evidence to establish such causation.

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        9. Harry Crane‏ @HarryDCrane 28 Feb 2018
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          I guess you could consistently adopt a different default stance, e.g., that there is causation, in which case you might also consistently argue that there is no evidence to refute your stance. This illustrates one of the problems with causal inference in general.

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