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    Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 29 Jan 2018
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    "it is far more insulting to suggest anyone would[ have ever behaved like Europeans of the [16th] or [17th] centuries—e.g., depopulating large portions of the Andes or central Mexico by working millions to death in the mines" —@davidgraeber, Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropologypic.twitter.com/g0rIWqtkL9

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      1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 29 Jan 2018
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        @Abebab I think you'll appreciate.

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      2. Sagar in SF! ( till 27th July)‏ @cigardubey 29 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @o_guest @davidgraeber

        same with the largest Hindu empires before the Islamic invasion. Huge strength, trade, not evidence of single act like this. The closest are the Ashokan horse sacrifice rituals.

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      3. David Graeber‏ @davidgraeber 29 Jan 2018
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        well there were the Kalingas but Ashoka did feel really bad about it afterwards

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      4. Sagar in SF! ( till 27th July)‏ @cigardubey 29 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @davidgraeber @o_guest

        the "at least the brits gave us english and trains" version of that is "at least it gave us buddhism"

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      5. Lemmy‏ @inside_lemon 29 Jan 2018
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        Y'all should check out his essay, "There Never Was a West" http://www.minorcompositions.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/RevolutionsInReverse-web.pdf … & his book on Debt(acsbl OL) as well, which explains d rationale behind why they acted like d way they did. In short, most of them too were in debt, operating in a very militarized market system..

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      6. Lemmy‏ @inside_lemon 29 Jan 2018
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        The short version doesn't capture the point accurately enough, do read the book, it's a very interesting read!

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      7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 29 Jan 2018
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        Yeah, DEBT is a really good book. I own and have read that one too. ✨

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      8. Radical_Anthropology‏ @PaleoRadicalism 30 Jan 2018
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        Have you read James Scott's book The Art of not Being Governed? It's a great study of the states of medieval South East Asia.

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      9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 30 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @PaleoRadicalism @inside_lemon and

        Thanks for the recommendation. I'm currently trying to stay away from reading about colonialism as, being from a fucked up ex colony, such themes upset me too much.

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      2. deen-chan‏ @sir_deenicus 29 Jan 2018
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        Hmm but it is the culture was it not? Any expansionist culture would have behaved the same way because they are expansionist (tautological ye). I think the Chinese and East Africans had peaceful encounters but there isn't much about that section of history that I can find.

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 29 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @sir_deenicus @davidgraeber

        Are you implying the last sentence from the paragraph is disingenuous?

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      4. deen-chan‏ @sir_deenicus 29 Jan 2018
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        No, just that whenever I've tried looking into it, despite being really interested, I've only ever found a handful of words written about it. Some of it is conflicting. http://www.blacklooks.org/2010/09/the-kunlun-servants-african-merchants-in-ancient-china-2/ …. It's still comparatively positive. The information also seems more uncertain.

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      5. deen-chan‏ @sir_deenicus 29 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @sir_deenicus @o_guest @davidgraeber

        By uncertain I mean fewer sources :( That post contains a bit on a slave trade between africans, arabs and china before European contact. Maybe humans are just not nice? :( But they have other posts that show more positive simply exploratory encounters

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      6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 29 Jan 2018
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        The point of the extract and indeed that (part of the) book (Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology by David Graeber) is "humans are just not nice" is not the reason nor an excuse for atrocities committed by Europeans. I recommend that book BTW, if you're wanting to read more.

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      7. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 29 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @o_guest @sir_deenicus @davidgraeber

        You piqued my curiosity. Got it!

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