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    1. Abeba Birhane‏ @Abebab 27 Jan 2018
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      Kuhn in "Paradigms and some misinterpretations of science"pic.twitter.com/NH3uDKtcI8

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @Abebab

      Oh, yeah, what a great extract!

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    3. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @Abebab

      Agreed (use of ‘man’ aside, ofc). In light of philosophy of science & cognitive science (applied to scientists thinking), have difficulty wrapping head around ppl viewing products of science as ‘facts’, especially if they’re scientists.

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    4. Roland van Mossel‏ @rolandVM 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest @Abebab

      Sharing your confusion how someone can see scientific theories as 'facts' (might be connected with the oversimplified view of science taught in high school?). Especially like that piece of Kuhn in noting that even observations are theory-loaded (and not objective 'sense data').

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    5. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @rolandVM @o_guest @Abebab

      Most common & important problems IMO for context I have in mind: a) observations (summarised data) indeed seen as ‘facts’ & forgotten that collection & processing of data is theory-laden & b) good practices for data collection & replicability confused with ‘good science’.

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    6. Roland van Mossel‏ @rolandVM 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest @Abebab

      I think esp. with regard to data collection awareness is needed (bit more optimistic about processing). Also of the implications: hypothesis tests in complete isolation are impossible since we're also testing (at the very least) theoretical considerations behind the measurements.

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    7. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @rolandVM @o_guest @Abebab

      Agreed on the 2nd point! Re: 1st point: there my be differences between our respective disciplines, and its main purposes, eg treatment vs understanding.

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    8. Roland van Mossel‏ @rolandVM 27 Jan 2018
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      I agree, although in this case I meant to refer to understanding (and a bit to your field in which I'm greatly interested). My impression was that there's a growing awareness of the role of theory in data processing (in comparison to data coll.), but you seem more sceptical?

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    9. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @rolandVM @o_guest @Abebab

      Depends on what I consider my field. If I think of it as ‘(computational) cognitive science’, then yes. However, if I think of it as ‘psychology’, then I think we still have very far to go: too much focus on data & too little theory, nor much reflection on theory-data interface.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @rolandVM @Abebab

      Yes! 💯

      2:26 PM - 27 Jan 2018
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        2. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 27 Jan 2018
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          Iris van Rooij Retweeted  🐙 🛐Will Gervais 🛐 🐙

          Here is a relevant poll, plus discussion: https://twitter.com/wgervais/status/957319964347764736 … (specific for social psychology, but I’m not sure eg developmental & cogn psychology would score much differently, unless the latter are part of cogsci).

          Iris van Rooij added,

           🐙 🛐Will Gervais 🛐 🐙 @wgervais
          Social psychology has theories strong enough to make specific and precise quantitative predictions. Pick best the discipline (social psych / not) vote (t/f) pair that works best for you (Retweet if you’re into that)
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        3. the witches hat Prather‏ @PratherLab 27 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

          does the use of modeling factor in here? do you think areas with more of a computational tradition tend to have more specific theoretical predictions?

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        4. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 27 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @PratherLab @o_guest and

          Indeed. I see computational modelling as theoretical tool, so yes that factors in. For me personally, primary role of theory/modeling is understanding and explanation, and prediction is secondary (means to an end, not the end itself as some psychologists seem to phrase/view it).

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @PratherLab and

          Agreed. Modelling in comp cog/neuro is primarily explanatory although often predictions fall out of the explanatons. This is then fed back into the overarching theoretical framework which might then go on to make predictions.

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        6. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 27 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          Depends who's creating the papers. My lab puts untested predictions in the model papers. It's a great way to write and ensures ( baring outright lying) that predictions are not post hoc.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @bradpwyble @IrisVanRooij and

          I don't think what we said precludes that at all.

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        8. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 28 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          I interpreted "fall out" as meaning accidental rather than deliberate but I can see you might have meant it differently.

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