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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @IrisVanRooij and

      Anonymity on feedback forms when it's about the content of the lectures (provided the content does not violate any rules) is not really there to help anybody. If the contents violates rules then that feedback should be anonymous.

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

      I can write software that maintains anonymity 100% (the lecturer can't know who left the feedback) and allows for these two options.

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    3. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

      It sounds reasonable but how would it help to know the identity of the person making such homophobic (or other) comments? Unless we are thinking on some subsequent educational training, I don't see what it would solve. Filtering the feedback that lecturer gets is indeed necessary

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    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @IrisVanRooij and

      Two reasons: 1. Educational. Because this is (or should be!) against school policy. The lecturers deserve to work without hate speech. The student should be confronted. 2. Preventative. Non-anonymous feedback on content (not violations) will deter such hateful stuff.

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    5. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 27 Jan 2018
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      OK 1) I fully agree 2) This is the part I find a bit dangerous because it can also be dishonestly applied but I see your point and I concur that prevention is needed.

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @IrisVanRooij and

      For 2: I made a specific distinction between non-anonymous for CONTENT and anonymous (but reversible if found to be abusive, but a neutral party) for VIOLATIONS (i.e., the lecturer said racist stuff).

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

      No system can be perfect, but the one that gave rise to the above horrible anonymous abusive message was a worse one than what I propose. Dialogue on better systems is always going to be ongoing of course.

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    8. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

      Indeed :) Yes, you are right, this distinction could help avoiding most of the problems.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @IrisVanRooij and

      Another point is that all feedback should be after the marks are out.

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    10. David Jentsch  🏳️‍🌈‏ @jdavidjentsch 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

      Both UC and SUNY require students to make evals before marks; only released to Prof after

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @jdavidjentsch @twitemp1 and

      That's a good system.

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        2. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 27 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @jdavidjentsch and

          Yes, but still. Students are in a disadvantaged position of power. Thus there must be reassurances that there not going to be retaliations to their honest and justified comments. Breaking this trust is what worries me. I see your point, do you see mine?

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @jdavidjentsch and

          Fair enough. Then allow anonymous comments but if found to be abusive they are un-anonymised by a 3rd party and the students are told this explicitly. However, you can't address what I said above either way: anonymised comments can still bear the features of the writer.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          In many ways, I might know who left it regardless. Or worse yet, I might have 3 people who fit the bill and retaliate against all 3. It's very tricky.

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        5. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 27 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @jdavidjentsch and

          Yes, it is very tricky! That was my whole point 😊 But I do agree in that they (we all) must be made accountable, no doubt.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @jdavidjentsch and

          Also, to be fair, students raise all their concerns in class, and especially to the TAing PhD students, if in any way interactive like a practical class or one with seminars, almost always and without exception in my experience. So again you know who is complaining about what.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          Obvi, my experiences and not universal and teaching/TAing 6 courses a year for 4 years at BBK is again not a universal experience, but I genuinely do not believe there is such a thing as anonymous when it's students you spend hours with. You just know who writes what if you care.

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          And even if you don't know who writes what, the way people write can give things away about their personality or minority (or otherwise) status. Anonymity in these contexts to me at least seems like a fig leaf. You cannot really appeal to it.

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 27 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          To truly protect students you must actually have proper rules and training in place not just say "oh hey it's anonymised so it's unbiased".

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