@manwhohasitall girls includes all men as well :p
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Replying to @maria_ndrnh @Abebab and
This reminds me. I REALLY hate "ladies" and "girls" used to refer to all men in the army. So grodies!
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Replying to @o_guest @maria_ndrnh and
I'm only catching up with my notifications now. I'm also, only catching up with the nuanced cultural meanings attached to these words, which they don't teach you in school, only recently, since living in an English speaking country.
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IMHO one of the first rules in professional communication is honesty in the aims. Using terms that are potentially demeaning is indicative of covert goals
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I agree with you but sometimes, esp if you come from a non-English speaking culture, it takes a lot to understand which words carry demeaning tone. I honestly thought "ladies" and "women" were interchangeable till now. But I'm learning and tankful for y'all.
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Which proves it is ultimately about what the speaker means by the words and what the hearer means by the words, not with some objective fact about any particular word.
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Oh, God, no. Of course words within a basic context have fixed (fuzzy, with deviations, but the mean is known to a good enough degree) meanings, that's how we communicate. Is this how you would defend somebody who used the n-word? Awful logic.
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It is not reasonable to compare use of the term "ladies" with the n-word. Society is evidently split on whether "lady" is even offensive.
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Replying to @PaulRoundy1 @theblub and
That is absolutely correct. I thought Jelle was trying to make a general point. On the issue "ladies! — 100% agreed.
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Replying to @o_guest @PaulRoundy1 and
I'm afraid I did make a general point. But I am open for changing my views. I don't believe in any absolute semantics of words. And we don't need words to communicate. In language use complex things happen, but fixed referents to content I see not :-)
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I find it amusing that you think I asserted there are absolute semantics.
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