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    1. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 26 Jan 2018
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      LOL, I hope there is no limit in age to join ;)

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @Abebab and

      Absolutely no limit, and just because boys/men aren't allowed doesn't mean non-binary people aren't! This is an inclusive club! 🖤

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    3. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 26 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

      I thought we’d let guys in if they do not mind being referred to by the (gender-neutral) ‘girls’ ;)

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    4. Abeba Birhane‏ @Abebab 26 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

      They should not mind 'girls' since it is gender-neutral as you rightly said.

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    5. Maria Niedernhuber #FBPE‏ @maria_ndrnh 26 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @Abebab @IrisVanRooij and

      @manwhohasitall girls includes all men as well :p

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @maria_ndrnh @Abebab and

      This reminds me. I REALLY hate "ladies" and "girls" used to refer to all men in the army. So grodies! 🤢

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    7. Abeba Birhane‏ @Abebab 26 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @maria_ndrnh and

      I'm only catching up with my notifications now. I'm also, only catching up with the nuanced cultural meanings attached to these words, which they don't teach you in school, only recently, since living in an English speaking country.

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    8. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 26 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @Abebab @o_guest and

      IMHO one of the first rules in professional communication is honesty in the aims. Using terms that are potentially demeaning is indicative of covert goals

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    9. Abeba Birhane‏ @Abebab 26 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @o_guest and

      I agree with you but sometimes, esp if you come from a non-English speaking culture, it takes a lot to understand which words carry demeaning tone. I honestly thought "ladies" and "women" were interchangeable till now. But I'm learning and tankful for y'all.

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    10. Jelle‏ @theblub 26 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @Abebab @twitemp1 and

      Which proves it is ultimately about what the speaker means by the words and what the hearer means by the words, not with some objective fact about any particular word.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Jan 2018
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      Oh, God, no. Of course words within a basic context have fixed (fuzzy, with deviations, but the mean is known to a good enough degree) meanings, that's how we communicate. Is this how you would defend somebody who used the n-word? Awful logic.

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        2. Jelle‏ @theblub 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @Abebab and

          One of the most interesting cases for me is the term Autism. In the past years I have used: Asperger, Autistic. Autistic Spectrum Disorder Autism Spectrum Condition Back to autistic People on the Autistic Spectrum (seems be safe, for now)

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @theblub @Abebab and

          I think you missed my point. I never claimed it's fixed 100% through time. I claimed it's fixed within a basic context and with deviation.

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        4. Jelle‏ @theblub 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @Abebab and

          For me that would be stretching the meaning of 'fixed' too much (which in a meta-sort-of-way would prove my point, perhaps)

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @theblub @Abebab and

          So I came in to my office one day and I tidy up the room, everything has a fixed place. A week later I come in and tidy again with everything getting a new fixed place. So yes, exactly, they are fixed even though they also change places.

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        6. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @theblub and

          I come from a culture which likes to play with words meanings. For instance, to state that someone is witty we say "Eres muy puta" which literally means you are quite a whore. But I bet many ppl wouldn't like their kids to hear it. Words also convey social implicit meanings! 🤨

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @theblub and

          Yep. Saying a word has a given meaning in a given context says nothing about how it might change in another content or at another time.

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          The reason I dislike this: "Which proves it is ultimately about what the speaker means by the words and what the hearer means by the words, not with some objective fact about any particular word."

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          Is because it implies, and I may have misunderstood you of course, that speakers and listeners share some equal "blame" so to speak.

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        2. Jelle‏ @theblub 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @Abebab and

          O I think I do! But let's explore. I've used terrible words, but with no terrible connotation on my side. Then finding out (through the reactions of others only, not by looking in some Platonic dictionary), that these connotations existed. After which I stopped using that word.

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        3. Abeba Birhane‏ @Abebab 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @theblub @o_guest and

          That's how I'm learning (spoken) English. Through making mistakes and sometimes offending others.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @Abebab @theblub and

          Once I said "get lost" to somebody and I didn't even mean it. LOL — worst part is, it was just ~1.5 years ago. *hides*

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        5. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @Abebab and

          ??? 🤐

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @Abebab and

          At work too. I was like "OMG sorry" but obviously it was already a weird/jokey situation. I have a feeling they (eventually) forgave me.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          I think I was making a joke like "why not arrive late or get lost on the way" but it came out "get lost". The context was something like they had to go somewhere but they wanted to be fashionably late or not seem desperate.

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        8. Abeba Birhane‏ @Abebab 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          I think people who are close to you and know you are often forgiving when you mess your words up. Thankfully.

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @Abebab @twitemp1 and

          Yeah. Sadly not close to me in that case — but I tried to make it up to her.

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        2. Paul Roundy‏ @PaulRoundy1 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @theblub and

          It is not reasonable to compare use of the term "ladies" with the n-word. Society is evidently split on whether "lady" is even offensive.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @PaulRoundy1 @theblub and

          That is absolutely correct. I thought Jelle was trying to make a general point. On the issue "ladies! — 100% agreed.

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        4. Jelle‏ @theblub 26 Jan 2018
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          I'm afraid I did make a general point. But I am open for changing my views. I don't believe in any absolute semantics of words. And we don't need words to communicate. In language use complex things happen, but fixed referents to content I see not :-)

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 26 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @theblub @PaulRoundy1 and

          I find it amusing that you think I asserted there are absolute semantics.

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