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    1. Abeba Birhane‏ @Abebab 24 Jan 2018
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      Reminds me of Susan Haack's Six Signs of Scientism https://pervegalit.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/haack-six-signs-of-scientism-october-17-2009.pdf …pic.twitter.com/V1LsDc20eZ

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    2. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 24 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @Abebab @IrisVanRooij

      Perfect!

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Jan 2018
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      The most amusing thing about scientism is: "Ironically, scientism proponents, despite it being a philosophical epistemological position in and of itself, completely reject philosophy, ethics, and the reasons why logical positivism (an almost identical, although less extreme

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    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      version of this philosophy) failed. As such it is completely self-annihilating, even though many prominent pop scientists implicitly or explicitly promote it." http://sjwiki.org/wiki/Scientism 

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Jan 2018
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      CC @twitemp1

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    6. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 25 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      Thanks for that reference, Olivia. “Proponents of scientism believe that science is inherently moral. They are mistaken. Science on its own cannot tell us right from wrong.” I already had a sense that the naturalistic fallacy was playing a role as well.

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    7. Paul Roundy‏ @PaulRoundy1 25 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

      Science cannot tell us right from wrong on its own, but after defining some basis of values, science can contribute to assessing success in fulfilling them. For example, 1 can define more core as to minimize harm. Then, science can help construct a structure around that.

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    8. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 25 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @PaulRoundy1 @IrisVanRooij and

      We are all scientists discussing the dangers of Scientism, which are relatively independent of the of the practice of science itself.

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    9. Paul Roundy‏ @PaulRoundy1 25 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @IrisVanRooij and

      Right--I jumped in because the two intersect, and some of our misperceptions of science itself breed scientism. For example, how the media sometimes treat new peer reviewed articles as facts, even though most of the vetting may be yet to come.

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @PaulRoundy1 @twitemp1 and

      I assume you clicked through, but just in case — this bit deals with morality and science: http://sjwiki.org/wiki/Scientism#Morality …

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @o_guest @PaulRoundy1 and

      Especially: "This does not mean that empirical contributions to the ethical practise of science are not valuable, but that scientific inquiry is governed by philosophical and ethical notions and not the other way round."

      10:04 AM - 25 Jan 2018
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @PaulRoundy1 and

          These are the important things that are stumbling blocks for hardcore scientismists.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @PaulRoundy1 and

          So yes, empirical, i.e., scientific, facts are very useful for making decisions but the moral code generating the decisions is not science.

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        4. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 25 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @PaulRoundy1 and

          Here’s a relevant piece by @briandavidearp against Sam Harris’s claim that science can tell us about what’s right or wrong: http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2011/11/sam-harris-is-wrong-about-science-and-morality/ …

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        5. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 25 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @zerdeve @o_guest and

          IMO science can explain the processes of making moral decisions but morality itself it cannot, at least in its current form

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @zerdeve and

          Exactly. If you are researching the best way to save lives, you are researching how to enact a moral principle based on your own moral code. That is: saving lives is worth doing.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          Science can tell you so much about how to do it but it cannot be used to back up why.

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 25 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Sanjay Srivastava

          Here's a depressing example from my TL. Science cannot tell us (who) to kill or not kill. It's the moral code (and law) that needs to be changed, certainly not more empirical data gathered.https://twitter.com/hardsci/status/956597828616298496 …

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

          Sanjay Srivastava @hardsci
          Making "ethnic adjustments" to IQ scores to justify executing people of color is layering a horror on a horror on a horror. But rebutting unscientific racism with unscientific anti-racism isn't going to cut it https://psmag.com/social-justice/how-iq-tests-are-perverted-to-justify-the-death-penalty …
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        9. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 25 Jan 2018
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          Holly shit! This is really depressing, we are but a depraved race/species, in that order!

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