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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Dec 2017
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      It's the disparity between use "males" vs "females". The latter is basically only used for women and animals, while the former is almost never used to refer to human men. I'll dig up some research for you done on massive corpora.

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    2. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 23 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij @gedankenstuecke

      Ok, so women are linked to animals (mediated by the term "female") and men are not. So ... female and man would be terrible, but "male"? Still confused

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    3. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 23 Dec 2017
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      I see multiple issues. The one pointed out by @o_guest is one, and part of a larger issue IMO.

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    4. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 23 Dec 2017
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      A 2nd issue (actually implied by what @o_guest wrote) is that we use the terms 'women' and 'men' for people/persons/humans.

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    5. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 23 Dec 2017
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      A 3rd issue is that 'women' and 'men' usually is used to refer to gender identy and not sex. In these overviews I think we intend to refer to people and their identities and not their sex (right?).

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    6. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 23 Dec 2017
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      A 4th issue that is related to the 3rd, is that refering to people's sex when we actually mean their gender feeds into the mistaken idea that gender is "really just sex" (some reductive idea of gender).

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    7. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 23 Dec 2017
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      I'm probably still missing some nuances.

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    8. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 23 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @twitemp1 and

      In any case, I try to eg make a habit of saying things such as 'women professors' instead of 'female professors'.

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    9. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 23 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest @gedankenstuecke

      Ok. Not arguing at all, just curious. Thank you very much. Hmm I think I see much clearly the difference if I translate it to Spanish. Certainly "hembra" (female) sounds horrible.

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Dec 2017
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      One small thing is that gender and sex are actually both fluid and basically the same thing. Just because a woman has a penis doesn't mean her gender or her sex is male. I would never call a trans woman's penis male no more than her fingernails are male.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Dec 2017
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      Male/female are human concepts applies to a huge spectrum of biological realities.

      10:35 AM - 23 Dec 2017
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          And man/woman the same, they are simplifying and often oppressive labels that often disallow people to self-identify.

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        3. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 23 Dec 2017
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          I agree. I was realizing that while I was typing. I would use 'female' as 'sex of a woman'. Hence both cis woman and trans woman are female. I know that some (including transphobic) ppl use terms differently, but that was certainly not what I meant & hopefully also didn't imply.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Dec 2017
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          😍

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        5. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 23 Dec 2017
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          💚

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        6. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 23 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest @gedankenstuecke

          So if we are referring to sex are female/male are ok (ish)?

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        7. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 23 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @o_guest @gedankenstuecke

          I think so yes, if that fits with a person's sex (so, intersex etc aside). Just find it odd to refer to one another's sex in contexts where that seems irrelevant.

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        8. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 23 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest @gedankenstuecke

          I agree, I also find it very odd to attempt to identify a person's sex in an irrelevant context. My problem is that I also believe that referring to gender might be irrelevant in many context (think of a job application) Why is it needed to know the gender of the applicant?

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @IrisVanRooij @gedankenstuecke

          Sometimes it is needed, generally not. For example to address lack of diversity or to carry out jobs where it would otherwise be impossible (women's officer, working in a rape survivor's unit, etc).

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