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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 16 Dec 2017
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      Recently, I've witnessed some senior academics mock PhDs & postdocs for choosing industry. Apart from the utterly baseless points raised (hours are flexible in many data science jobs, workloads are often similar, etc.) — it's completely out of order in general. I see you.

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    2. Dave Wright‏ @nothing_counter 17 Dec 2017
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      I think lots of academics in big institutions suffer from a form of Stockholm syndrome. Many at UCL give similar view re: other universities as well as industry. At best they are extremely self interested in the way they express these opinions to junior colleagues.

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Dec 2017
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      It's funny you assumed the main person doing the OP mocking is at UCL. They weren't and never have been AFAIK.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Dec 2017
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      I actually have the impression, from my lab and related people, that UCL academics are extremely into industry collaborations. But obviously things are different from department to department and lab to lab.

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        2. Dave Wright‏ @nothing_counter 17 Dec 2017
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          I think collaborations are viewed differently to 'going over to the other side'. Conversations with admin/finance types at UCL suggest most people are not as open as your contacts are.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Dec 2017
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          Well, my lab has a part-time PhD student who works full-time at a data science company. So you might indeed be right and I'm in a lucky bubble, hence why the OP with so shocking to see.

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        4. Dave Wright‏ @nothing_counter 17 Dec 2017
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          The weird insecurities of academics very rarely surprise me these days. Although with this there may also be fEC/funding related politics in play.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Dec 2017
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          What surprised me was not the views per se, but the fact they thought it was appropriate to express them in the context of a another person leaving for industry. The person who was leaving was not their employee/student.

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        6. Dave Wright‏ @nothing_counter 17 Dec 2017
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          To me, that behaviour is an (unpleasant) side effect of the style of academic discourse where people state strong opinions looking to get a 'debate' started. I feel I am quite guilty of that sometimes although I do increasingly try to be more sensitive.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Dec 2017
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          TBF in the literature that gets you a good cite ping-pong game going. So perhaps it's perfectly adaptive. Just, like you say, it is not always interpersonally appropriate.

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        8. Dave Wright‏ @nothing_counter 17 Dec 2017
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          Oh, it is totally a "good" strategy as it also gets you noticed - meetings, debates etc. It also closes off a lot of useful dialogue unless you are very careful.

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Dec 2017
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          I don't tend to do it. But I do often have strong opinions. I think the trick is to have strong (if you do) opinions but not express them as absolutes (because they aren't usually). Being a woman also factors in to weighting others' understanding of how strong my views are too.

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