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Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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I think lots of academics in big institutions suffer from a form of Stockholm syndrome. Many at UCL give similar view re: other universities as well as industry. At best they are extremely self interested in the way they express these opinions to junior colleagues.
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It's funny you assumed the main person doing the OP mocking is at UCL. They weren't and never have been AFAIK.
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I actually have the impression, from my lab and related people, that UCL academics are extremely into industry collaborations. But obviously things are different from department to department and lab to lab.
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I think collaborations are viewed differently to 'going over to the other side'. Conversations with admin/finance types at UCL suggest most people are not as open as your contacts are.
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Well, my lab has a part-time PhD student who works full-time at a data science company. So you might indeed be right and I'm in a lucky bubble, hence why the OP with so shocking to see.
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The weird insecurities of academics very rarely surprise me these days. Although with this there may also be fEC/funding related politics in play.
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What surprised me was not the views per se, but the fact they thought it was appropriate to express them in the context of a another person leaving for industry. The person who was leaving was not their employee/student.
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To me, that behaviour is an (unpleasant) side effect of the style of academic discourse where people state strong opinions looking to get a 'debate' started. I feel I am quite guilty of that sometimes although I do increasingly try to be more sensitive.
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i feel that moving to industry is perfectly fine, as long as you don't think it's going to get rid of all the problems one faces in academia and life will be hunky dory---you often just acquire new kinds of problems.
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but life could get better in industry than in academia, of course. i guess it depends on the type of job one gets.
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Yeah, from working in the same lab with part-time PhD students who work full-time at data sci companies I noticed that they have a similar routine to PhD students with less depression since they are fired if they don't go to work and going seems somewhat preventative IMHO.
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But yes of course there are other jobs with other more dramatically different responsibilities. At the end of the day postdocs also would get fired if they didn't show up to work every day too, so it's not black and white.
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We're working on creating a resource that counters this stigma. I think first-person stories would help! https://www.authorea.com/inst/18729
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I'm staying in academia so can't help, but RT, which I shall!
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We have a few committed so far. I think once we get a handful more it might start to be a really nice resource for advice and "different" paths ahead.
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And thanks!
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You're welcome.
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This is not a recent phenomenon. When I went to industry, 30 yrs ago, lot of people viewed it as failure. I have never regretted the decision. There are good & bad industrial jobs just like academia. More applied research means results are more rapidly applicable. Both necessary.
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Of course — especially since it's not practical to have every PhD graduate stay in academia in the current climate, if ever.
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