Completely agree Suzy. We need to stop focusing on the situation... This approach implies that avoiding such 'danger zones' will fix the problem. When actually we just need these predatory men to treat ALL their colleagues/students with respect. In ALL situations.
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Replying to @JenniRodd @suzyjstyles and
The 'danger zone' is not defined by the particular situation that we might be in. It is defined SOLELY by the presence of particular individuals.
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Replying to @JenniRodd @suzyjstyles and
Speaking from personal experience, I believe steps taken to help less powerful ppl involve environment change as well as removal of individuals. E.g., codes of conduct esp 1s that make it clear sexual harassment/assault are not tolerated are 1st step in making events less toxic.
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Replying to @o_guest @JenniRodd and
You can't know who will violate the norms, so need to have structures in place to address problems when they arise. For example, in the times I have been sexually assaulted the bystanders' reactions have harmed me just as much [sadly if not more so] as the assault itself.
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Replying to @o_guest @JenniRodd and
So while "danger zone" to mean it's the zone causing stuff is misplaced when talking about individual known predators, I do not think it is misplaced when talking about the examples I gave above. Language/semantics are tricky as we all know.
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Replying to @o_guest @suzyjstyles and
Thanks, That's helpful. I really struggle with the line between 'victim blaming' style comments about people putting themselves in vulnerable situations (NOT on this thread, but elsewhere) and sensible structural changes to reduce risk of harm.
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Replying to @JenniRodd @suzyjstyles and
I think — sadly — many structural (top-down) changes are required before you even have the survivors/victims at the bottom being listened to at an event. Not to mention of course we often have PTSD and we have no interest in talking to anybody about what we were subjected to.
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Replying to @o_guest @suzyjstyles and
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. I'm aware that these discussions can put unasked for pressure on the people who have been harmed the most to help the rest of the community to try and fix this.
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Replying to @JenniRodd @o_guest and
I also this distinction that a 'dangerous/toxic' situation is as much about the attitudes and expectations of the people - not just the superficial contingency of alcohol and socialising. Thanks all
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Replying to @suzyjstyles @JenniRodd and
Again, not what was said/superficial. My comments were about creating an environment that promotes good behavior and makes it possible to call out bad behavior. Thanks all.
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I completely agree with you. It's sorely needed. I/we need to feel safe.
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