I'm worried that this is just as common in academia as we are hearing it is in Hollywood and politics. #unacceptable https://medium.com/@kristianlum/statistics-we-have-a-problem-304638dc5de5 …
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Replying to @neuro_boffin
Yep. Unfortunately, I am beginning to see a pattern where lots of drinking in quasi work/social situations is a danger zone. Not so much in tight nit groups, like a lab gathering, but more so at conferences, etc.
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Replying to @ProfData @neuro_boffin
Hmmm. Calling it a 'danger zone' suggests that the predatory individuals are not at fault. Weirdly, the vast majority of men *and women* manage to navigate the 'dangers' of socialising without assaulting anyone!
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Completely agree Suzy. We need to stop focusing on the situation... This approach implies that avoiding such 'danger zones' will fix the problem. When actually we just need these predatory men to treat ALL their colleagues/students with respect. In ALL situations.
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Replying to @JenniRodd @suzyjstyles and
The 'danger zone' is not defined by the particular situation that we might be in. It is defined SOLELY by the presence of particular individuals.
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Replying to @JenniRodd @suzyjstyles and
Speaking from personal experience, I believe steps taken to help less powerful ppl involve environment change as well as removal of individuals. E.g., codes of conduct esp 1s that make it clear sexual harassment/assault are not tolerated are 1st step in making events less toxic.
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Replying to @o_guest @JenniRodd and
You can't know who will violate the norms, so need to have structures in place to address problems when they arise. For example, in the times I have been sexually assaulted the bystanders' reactions have harmed me just as much [sadly if not more so] as the assault itself.
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Replying to @o_guest @JenniRodd and
So while "danger zone" to mean it's the zone causing stuff is misplaced when talking about individual known predators, I do not think it is misplaced when talking about the examples I gave above. Language/semantics are tricky as we all know.
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Replying to @o_guest @JenniRodd and
I personally call places/events "danger/unsafe zones", "toxic", etc., to describe exactly this lack of a code of conduct and/or lack of enforcing the CoC. Kyriarchy/patriarchy is sadly everybody, even women laterally, allowing misogyny and sexism to continue unchecked.
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We all do it. We just need those with more power, predominantly older white men, it seems, to exert some top-down control and enforce a CoC at, e.g., conferences, and generally listen to us when we speak out.
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Replying to @o_guest @JenniRodd and
The whole
#metoo
thing has made me realise that finally speaking out [still very much hurts] but finally has some positive effect on the world and that those with the top-down power to change things are listening to us at/closer to the bottom.
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