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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @zerdeve @twitemp1 and

      Ah, gotcha. Doesn't the Socratic fallacy still apply though? I can have a conversation with a 5 year old about cows, no problem, but ask them to define a cow and they will struggle to give an exhaustive definition.

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    2. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 7 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

      That’s kind of what I meant I think. Cubist chicken guys wouldn’t have so much fun if they defined their chickens 1st & we wouldn’t be able to communicate if we tried to define everything. We mostly seem to operate without clear definitions & comm benefits from that obscurity.

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @zerdeve @twitemp1 and

      The only bit I'm not sure about is the final conclusion. The rest, yes.

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    4. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 7 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      Whose final conclussion?

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    5. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 7 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @o_guest and

      Haha so much confusion 😂

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @zerdeve @twitemp1 and

      "& comm benefits..."

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      I see it as being neutral, in that it's neither completely benign nor malign.

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    8. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 7 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

      Mine is just a pet theory. Something I’ve been thinking about so this story jumped out at me. I think there’s something to it—obscurity helping us talking to each other but Idk how or to what extent or when... Just entertaining the thought for now.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @zerdeve @twitemp1 and

      I'm sure it's true in some cases. Somebody who leans only by looking at Cypriot doors the door concept vs somebody who learns by looking at UK ones, will have different visual representations of door and yet unbeknownst to either (usually) they communicate!

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    10. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 7 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

      How is that possible? Sorry to insert the question, but this is one of the key research questions I'm working on at the moment (with bigger team of communication researchers).

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @zerdeve and

      The visual statistics of Cypriot doors are different!pic.twitter.com/J0IHt00Fvi

      12:05 PM - 7 Dec 2017
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        2. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 7 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @zerdeve and

          I understand. I meant, how is it possible that two people understand each other / communicate while not have same representations? I mean to ask philosophically.

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        3. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 7 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

          My question is also mainly philosophical at some point and mostly driven by some personal experiences. Something I have started paying attention to recently. Specifically, I found myself having relatively satisfactory and straightforward conversations with people when I don’t >>

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        4. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 7 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @zerdeve @IrisVanRooij and

          question their assumptions or point of view, and just assume we’re talking about the same thing. The communication tends to immediately break down, however, when I start questioning the way they define terms or what assumptions they make. Which is confusing because a second >>

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        5. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 7 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @zerdeve @IrisVanRooij and

          ago I was operating under the illusion of perfect communication and now it’s gone forever. So was I deceived myself when I thought we did communicate? The more I asked the more I found that people can disagree on most basic things. But aren’t always conscious of it.

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        6. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 7 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @zerdeve @IrisVanRooij and

          I just find these experiences baffling with regard to what communication really is. What resolution is required and at what level it’s too fine? What’s function does noise serve? etc.

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        7. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 7 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @zerdeve @IrisVanRooij and

          Ugh sorry about all the typos. I trust you to read the correct word :D

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        8. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 7 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @zerdeve @o_guest and

          I think I did ;)

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        9. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve 7 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest and

          :) I knew it!

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        2. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley 7 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          Test your theory with the help of Alan Baddeley and colleagues: https://www.york.ac.uk/res/doors/search.shtml … (probably includes some Cypriot ones)

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @tom_hartley @IrisVanRooij and

          That's amusing! They actually use doors!

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        4. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley 7 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          Alan B. (whose office is next door to mine) is genuinely obsessed with doors and with how they are represented in visual memory. He took all the photos.

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        5. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley 7 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @tom_hartley @o_guest and

          They are good stimuli as you can find visually similar and different exemplars but they are not easy to encode verbally. So you have to rely on visual memory.

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