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    1. Andrew & Sabrina‏ @PsychScientists 2 Dec 2017
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      Link? I’m curious

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 2 Dec 2017
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      http://olivia.science 

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 2 Dec 2017
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      If you want a specific one without data, here:https://elifesciences.org/articles/21397 

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    4. Andrew & Sabrina‏ @PsychScientists 2 Dec 2017
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      So it’s a paper that isn’t about modelling behaviour. No behavioural data required then. Joshua is talking about behavioural modelling

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    5. Joshua Skewes‏ @JCSkewesDK 2 Dec 2017
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      Neural data then. Why is behaviour special?

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    6. Andrew & Sabrina‏ @PsychScientists 2 Dec 2017
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      You’re trying to model the behaviour of a system. Neural, behavioural, it’s all data about the system

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 2 Dec 2017
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      Not all modelling is primarily/directly "trying to model the behaviour of a system" some modelling is the encapsulation of theoretical principles into executable code. Similar but not identical goals.

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    8. Andrew & Sabrina‏ @PsychScientists 2 Dec 2017
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      Sure. But that’s not what Joshua was asking about, I didn’t think

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 2 Dec 2017
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      I think it is. I guess he can clarify. 🤷🏻

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    10. Joshua Skewes‏ @JCSkewesDK 2 Dec 2017
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      Same difference for me. Modeling behaviour of a system = formalising the principles according to which the system works = encapsulating theoretical principles (code not required)

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 2 Dec 2017
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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ

      I have linked to a paper (preprint) that just got accepted which only has modelling and the modelling is of psychological behaviors. What's wrong with it and why do you think it's misplaced as a paper? Amusingly the peer reviewers thought it was flawless:https://twitter.com/o_guest/status/936995935594467328 …

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ @o_guest
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      OK, @PsychScientists here's one on behaviour with no data by @ProfData that was just accepted for publication. https://twitter.com/ProfData/status/936552134195204096 …
      10:44 AM - 2 Dec 2017
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        2. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 2 Dec 2017
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          Great example. If I may, here is another: https://twitter.com/irisvanrooij/status/930557140485406726 … (I would also need to retract much of my papers if data was always necessary)

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          Thread: Summary of main ideas of our new paper 'Demons of ecological rationality' in a few tweets. 1/n http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cogs.12530/abstract;jsessionid=E12115273A9D76C025107E61FD9B95B2.f01t03 …
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        3. Joshua Skewes‏ @JCSkewesDK 2 Dec 2017
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          .@PsychScientists very much appreciating the push back - it was what I was hoping for. I think of simulation as valuable deductive reasoning for models whose consequences are non-obvious. Do you think deductive reasoning has a place in psych? Science generally?

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        4. Joshua Skewes‏ @JCSkewesDK 2 Dec 2017
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          Here are some explicit arguments for this sort of work in: Management: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.562.5016&rep=rep1&type=pdf … Economics: https://www.inet.ox.ac.uk/files/publications/farmer/EconomyNeeds.pdf … Ecology http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304380011000524 … Molecular Bio http://www.pnas.org/content/102/2/255.full … and generally http://www.pnas.org/content/99/suppl_3/7280.full … I don't get why psych is special

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        5. Joshua Skewes‏ @JCSkewesDK 2 Dec 2017
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          (this is all agent-based stuff because that's where my head is).

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        6. Joshua Skewes‏ @JCSkewesDK 2 Dec 2017
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          I think Cog Sci can offer is this. Agent-based models are simple, and agents are built apriori with minimal internal process. We have validated models of internal processes that produce behaviour. We can help build richer, more realistic models in these contexts

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        7. Joshua Skewes‏ @JCSkewesDK 2 Dec 2017
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          I feel like we used to do this more. Here is an example with the SOAR architecture, for instance: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/4d9c/b8e309fe0fc260e35baad4fc670b748745af.pdf …

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        8. Joshua Skewes‏ @JCSkewesDK 2 Dec 2017
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          Here is a great example from CS on collaborative decision, a current topic of focus, https://academic.oup.com/logcom/article-abstract/12/1/55/1064193?redirectedFrom=PDF … and my own recent attempt (which is in early days and has other problems, but inspired the initial question) https://psyarxiv.com/uma4b  Is data always necessary here?

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        1. Andrew & Sabrina‏ @PsychScientists 2 Dec 2017
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          I don’t think its misplaced as a paper. You’re evaluating strategies etc, not behaviour. I have zero problem here

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