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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      Also see where we mention the State of Mexico (a state within Mexico) which already uses a system exactly like our proposal.

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    2. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 28 Nov 2017
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      Including an open-source implementation? That would then be a precedent.

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      I think you're taking one aspect and neglecting the rest. Even an open source algorithm could create very gerrymandered districts (accidentally or not).

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    4. Alejandro de la Vega‏ @elneurozorro 28 Nov 2017
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      Key insight: it would not be accidental

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    5. Alejandro de la Vega‏ @elneurozorro 28 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @elneurozorro @o_guest @khinsen

      Just as in many states, e.g. Texas they've gone way past their cognitive limits and made it even worse

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    6. Alejandro de la Vega‏ @elneurozorro 28 Nov 2017
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      I agree it would be great if we could do that. I just don't see how we'll get over the intense partisanship in the US

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @elneurozorro @khinsen

      Yeah, I know. But every little helps I suppose. 😩

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    8. Alejandro de la Vega‏ @elneurozorro 28 Nov 2017
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      Not all ideas have to be totally realistic to still be important and worth publicizing. Nice work!

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @elneurozorro @khinsen

      Anything to shift that Overton window, I guess. 🤷🏻

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      But — to be fair to @ProfData and I and the preprint, we're saying that gerrymandering/non-optimal districting is inevitable if done by humans. Ergo it should be done by machines. They make the maps. Then the debate is about which algorithmic criteria the machines should use.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      The crux of our point, that humans are inherently unable to draw maps even if they intend to make unbiased districts is not inherently unrealistic given Mexico does use computational redistricting and does debate the maps the machines create and then selects which to make real.

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @elneurozorro and

          That is a big sentence. Sorry to make you all parse it. 😅

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @elneurozorro and

          Also super props to Mexico for being so cool [in many ways of course not just for computationally redistricting]. 🇲🇽💕

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        2. Alejandro de la Vega‏ @elneurozorro 28 Nov 2017
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          Replying to @darrenmcgeary @o_guest and

          Nope. That's not a thing but there's no reason those couldn't be included in a computational algorithm.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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          Replying to @darrenmcgeary @elneurozorro and

          That's not at all what we found /showed.

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        5. Alejandro de la Vega‏ @elneurozorro 28 Nov 2017
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          What is this je ne sais quoi that cannot be formally modeled? Notice nobody said humans are removed from decision-making.

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        2. Alejandro de la Vega‏ @elneurozorro 28 Nov 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @khinsen @ProfData

          Yeah I think its a great point. Probably slightly unpopular point if you know what I mean, but especially for less extreme states I buy it.

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        3. Alejandro de la Vega‏ @elneurozorro 28 Nov 2017
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          Replying to @elneurozorro @o_guest and

          I think some people will just get hung up on the extremely gerrymandered states, which to be fair are the biggest problem and frankly a sign of political excess and arrogance.

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        4. Alejandro de la Vega‏ @elneurozorro 28 Nov 2017
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          Replying to @elneurozorro @o_guest and

          Pretty cool that Mexico is doing that though. 🇲🇽I'm pretty legit surprised on that one :)

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