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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      “Our work suggests that a lot of what we view as gerrymandering may instead result from the complexity of the task. It’s beyond human abilities to perfectly group millions of people into fair districts”https://www.seeker.com/tech/an-unbiased-algorithm-could-help-put-an-end-to-partisan-gerrymandering?utm_content=An+Unbiased+Algorithm+Could+Help+Put+an+End+to+Partisan+Gerrymandering&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social-media …

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    2. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 28 Nov 2017
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      Wouldn't that be a small revolution? Are there any precedents for generating public trust in an algorithm (and its implementation)? Today it's more like 1) public trusts experts, 2) experts use algorithms/computers.

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      I'm not sure that's what we're arguing. I think the preprint clarifies our views: https://arxiv.org/abs/1711.04640 

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    4. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 28 Nov 2017
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      I think it's implicit. Much like with electronic voting machines. People agree on what the machines should do but don't trust that they actually do exactly that.

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      The whole point is that we want open source software and an open debate on the results of all redistricting algorithms. See the Discussion section for more details on this.

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      Also see where we mention the State of Mexico (a state within Mexico) which already uses a system exactly like our proposal.

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    7. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 28 Nov 2017
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      Including an open-source implementation? That would then be a precedent.

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      I think you're taking one aspect and neglecting the rest. Even an open source algorithm could create very gerrymandered districts (accidentally or not).

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    9. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 28 Nov 2017
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      Certainly, I fully agree on that. But the article focuses on the algorithm and neglects the issue of implementation and trust in it, hence my question.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      I'll try and answer your original question again. I think there are precedents just not ones with open source code that I know of. If you're interested I would direct you to read more on what others have written about Mexico, here: http://openscholar.mit.edu/sites/default/files/dept/files/825-1508-1-pb_en.pdf …

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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          Also to be clear — for the US, I think "Today it's more like 1) public trusts experts, 2) experts use algorithms/computers." is not true.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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          Unless you want to play with the meaning of "trust", of course.

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        2. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 28 Nov 2017
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          Thanks, it's on my reading list!

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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          And probably this chapter, which explains some of the computational redistricting the authorities did in Mexico in 2015: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=c70tDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA301&lpg=PA301&dq=10.1007/978-3-319-55702-1_40&source=bl&ots=pBPYXghz5N&sig=rVBdfa8bUZlcaiaRtnMqSAntFBs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwik8aK11-HXAhVIZFAKHRTHAYMQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=10.1007%2F978-3-319-55702-1_40&f=false …

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        4. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 28 Nov 2017
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          Ahhh... the joy of paywalls! 😞

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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          Yeah, I actually do not have the full PDF of this. But it tells us in the abstract that they use it in Mexico. I would like to dig deeper though.

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