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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      “Our work suggests that a lot of what we view as gerrymandering may instead result from the complexity of the task. It’s beyond human abilities to perfectly group millions of people into fair districts”https://www.seeker.com/tech/an-unbiased-algorithm-could-help-put-an-end-to-partisan-gerrymandering?utm_content=An+Unbiased+Algorithm+Could+Help+Put+an+End+to+Partisan+Gerrymandering&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social-media …

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    2. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 28 Nov 2017
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      Wouldn't that be a small revolution? Are there any precedents for generating public trust in an algorithm (and its implementation)? Today it's more like 1) public trusts experts, 2) experts use algorithms/computers.

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      I'm not sure that's what we're arguing. I think the preprint clarifies our views: https://arxiv.org/abs/1711.04640 

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    4. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 28 Nov 2017
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      I think it's implicit. Much like with electronic voting machines. People agree on what the machines should do but don't trust that they actually do exactly that.

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      The whole point is that we want open source software and an open debate on the results of all redistricting algorithms. See the Discussion section for more details on this.

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    6. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 28 Nov 2017
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      Exactly - which is what I think would be a small revolution. Not the open debate, but trust though open source in the context of political decisions.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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      A computational algorithm might not have had its trust evaluated under a system of openness (explicit open source checking). But there are many algorithms that aren't explicitly implemented in a programming language that humans trust for political decisions, like voting methods

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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          or even democracy as a general algorithm itself. Notwithstanding, as @jamespjh correctly noted trust in the case of our gerrymandering project would be only able to be directly based on the code if you already are highly educated. So I think it's a stretch to assume the public

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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          at large can evaluate an algorithm without the right training, something which is not expected of them. So yes, it's a political change, but it doesn't require any constitutional/legal change in the US for it to happen so I'm not sure "revolution" is appropriate.

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        2. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 28 Nov 2017
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          Indeed, but the execution of human-run algorithms can also be verified by humans. As in recounting. These are well-understood and trusted procedures.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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          It's experts/a minority of the whole of the population with special status/trust that do the recounting just like it would be a minority that would be able to verify the code even if everybody could download it.

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        4. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen 28 Nov 2017
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          Right. But today's network of trust (individuals, institutions, rules) has grown over centuries and is not at all adapted to dealing with trust in machines and software. Little overlap with today's computer-literate communities.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 28 Nov 2017
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          Agreed.

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