Of course. But I would argue that in Excel and SPSS it is easier to know, (roughly) what you are doing. There are just less options and you can usually follow a recipe. In e.g. R there is much more that can go wrong.
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Replying to @GordonFeld @ProfAndyField and
Given that I know of bugs in previous versions of SPSS where the p values output were mathematically wrong, I don't think it's a fair thing to say people know what they are doing if they are just mashing buttons into a GUI.
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Ok. So if I understand you correctly, this means that a (quite large) group of people (i.e. most psychologists) who have been extensively trained in stat methods shouldn't be doing statistics. What about programming-pros, who have no formal training in stat methods?
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(of course I agree that modern psychology training should include programming skills, but to date it doesn't)
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Aren't you at
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Yes. I am here now, but only know about teaching in Germany. Great to hear that!
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Yeah, we teach Python to undergraduates and to MSc students and we also teach MSc (only them, I think) JavaScript too.
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I would interested to know, how much do you think they can actually use these language, when they finished Uni. I ask because, we have organized several workshops in R and matlab for PhD students in Germany, but their skill level was often quite low or they were self-trained.
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You want me to rate my colleagues teaching abilities or my colleagues abilities to remember how to code? As far as I'm concerned it's a pretty offensive question to ask let alone publicly. But I'll bite because I'm lucky enough to have excellent colleagues.
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I'm actually asking how well students who are not studying computer science are able to learn programming and hoping to get advice on how to improve training for German students. But no need to answer, if you feel this question was offensive...
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I have answered in what is now a side-thread. I can link you to my materials which I have used in the past if you're interested. I have taught UG and PG students the basics of coding and neural networks in a single day with success. But I do not consider myself an expert on this.
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I'm just a person who has tried and succeeded with teaching some coding to small enough groups. If you want research into how to teach big groups how to code, esp big groups who don't know linear algebra (I assume), then I'm not your go-to cos I do not do/have not done that.
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