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    1. Gordon Feld‏ @GordonFeld 21 Nov 2017
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      Of course. But I would argue that in Excel and SPSS it is easier to know, (roughly) what you are doing. There are just less options and you can usually follow a recipe. In e.g. R there is much more that can go wrong.

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2017
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      Given that I know of bugs in previous versions of SPSS where the p values output were mathematically wrong, I don't think it's a fair thing to say people know what they are doing if they are just mashing buttons into a GUI.

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    3. Gordon Feld‏ @GordonFeld 21 Nov 2017
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      Ok. So if I understand you correctly, this means that a (quite large) group of people (i.e. most psychologists) who have been extensively trained in stat methods shouldn't be doing statistics. What about programming-pros, who have no formal training in stat methods?

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    4. Gordon Feld‏ @GordonFeld 21 Nov 2017
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      (of course I agree that modern psychology training should include programming skills, but to date it doesn't)

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2017
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      Aren't you at @EP_UCL with me? We do teach them Python.

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    6. Gordon Feld‏ @GordonFeld 21 Nov 2017
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      Yes. I am here now, but only know about teaching in Germany. Great to hear that!

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2017
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      Yeah, we teach Python to undergraduates and to MSc students and we also teach MSc (only them, I think) JavaScript too.

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    8. Gordon Feld‏ @GordonFeld 21 Nov 2017
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      I would interested to know, how much do you think they can actually use these language, when they finished Uni. I ask because, we have organized several workshops in R and matlab for PhD students in Germany, but their skill level was often quite low or they were self-trained.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @GordonFeld @ProfAndyField and

      You want me to rate my colleagues teaching abilities or my colleagues abilities to remember how to code? As far as I'm concerned it's a pretty offensive question to ask let alone publicly. But I'll bite because I'm lucky enough to have excellent colleagues.

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @GordonFeld and

      So for Christos' teaching skills, I would say I do not have direct evidence as he took over recently. Most of my colleagues taught coding at UCL were taught under Keith. But I do know Christos is skilled. Also I thought Keith was good when I was 1 of his students ~ a decade ago.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @GordonFeld and

      For my colleagues retention of their coding skills, like with any skill, you need to keep at it, and they manage it. You can't learn piano as a child, stop, and then try again 20 years later expecting to be just as good.

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @GordonFeld and

          To clarify, there are many PhD students in my lab some of which have BScs from our department and they code every day and well. In fact one of the best coders was an UG in this department and even published a paper in his final year — now doing a PhD without an MSc.

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        3. Gordon Feld‏ @GordonFeld 21 Nov 2017
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          Hmm so I guess the only way to improve coding skill in students, is to give more coding projects? Then they are forced to learn?

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2017
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          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ @o_guest
          Replying to @o_guest @GordonFeld and 13 others
          I'm just a person who has tried and succeeded with teaching some coding to small enough groups. If you want research into how to teach big groups how to code, esp big groups who don't know linear algebra (I assume), then I'm not your go-to cos I do not do/have not done that. 😅
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