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    1. Victor Kovalets‏ @VictorKovalets 19 Nov 2017
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      Which software (e.g., MS Excel / Word, R, Matlab etc) do you find best to use for presenting statistics data visually for publication? @PhDForum @AcademicChatter @JASPStats #HE @OxExpPsy @RHULPsychology @VBourne_stats @ProfAndyField @MaartenSpeek @UCLPALS @o_guest @PaLSPPG

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    2. Satisfaction Jackson  🌹‏ @LaurentWada 20 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @VictorKovalets @PhDForum and

      R is more satisfying to figure out, but I can make a plot indistinguishable from R using Excel literally 10 times faster.

      2 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
    3. Satisfaction Jackson  🌹‏ @LaurentWada 20 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @LaurentWada @VictorKovalets and

      I want to anonymous, but I also want to post some of my published figures and have people guess whether it was R or Excel.

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    4. Andy Field‏ @ProfAndyField 21 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @LaurentWada @VictorKovalets and

      People get way too snobby about software, it’s just a tool to do a job. If you’re happy with SPSS use it, if you prefer R use it, love Excel? No problem. Use what works for you (and your collaborators).

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @ProfAndyField @LaurentWada and

      I mean sure, but the reproducibility of Excel is lower unless you always document the version and which buttons you pressed. With code the commands are the figure so less work to makes reproducible by default.

      3 replies 4 retweets 20 likes
    6. Gordon Feld‏ @GordonFeld 21 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @ProfAndyField and

      Sure. But this ignores that you need to know what you are doing, when you code your statistics in R. If that's not what you are good at, it is better to stick to what you know. IMHO (I am guessing this is what Andy means)

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @GordonFeld @ProfAndyField and

      You need to know what you're doing when you use Excel too. Just because the output looks good doesn't mean it's correct. You need to know how to do your job regardless.

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    8. Gordon Feld‏ @GordonFeld 21 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @ProfAndyField and

      Of course. But I would argue that in Excel and SPSS it is easier to know, (roughly) what you are doing. There are just less options and you can usually follow a recipe. In e.g. R there is much more that can go wrong.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @GordonFeld @ProfAndyField and

      Given that I know of bugs in previous versions of SPSS where the p values output were mathematically wrong, I don't think it's a fair thing to say people know what they are doing if they are just mashing buttons into a GUI.

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    10. Gordon Feld‏ @GordonFeld 21 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @ProfAndyField and

      Ok. So if I understand you correctly, this means that a (quite large) group of people (i.e. most psychologists) who have been extensively trained in stat methods shouldn't be doing statistics. What about programming-pros, who have no formal training in stat methods?

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @GordonFeld @ProfAndyField and

      I have no idea how you concluded this from my remarks.

      3:20 AM - 21 Nov 2017
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        2. Gordon Feld‏ @GordonFeld 21 Nov 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @ProfAndyField and

          Really the only thing I am saying is that "allowing" people to use SPSS or Excel is more inclusive. (And knowing what a stat method does theoretically may be more important than being able to implement it in a programming language...)

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 21 Nov 2017
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          Replying to @GordonFeld @ProfAndyField and

          I didn't disallow them. I can't disallow them. I merely pointed out it's less reproducible or requires extra effort to be reproducible. Brief discussion here on the basics of what that means: "Dialogue: What is Computational Reproducibility?" http://oliviaguest.com/doc/guest_rougier_2016.pdf …

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