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    Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 14 Nov 2017
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    Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Cathy O'Neil

    The reason academics, by which I mean PIs, within Computer Science don't hire "many young computer scientists" is because they don't have the money to. Academia is not as well-funded as, for example, Facebook is. This recent AI hype cycle has gutted Computer Science departments.https://twitter.com/mathbabedotorg/status/930444763093925889 …

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    Cathy O'Neil @mathbabedotorg
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    I can't tell you how many young computer scientists write to me wanting to get a job holding algorithms accountable but all the jobs are at Facebook. It's a problem.
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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Nov 2017
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        Yep

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 14 Nov 2017
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        I'm so confused by this idea that people who do basic research for a living are just not doing it. WE ARE DOING IT BUT NOBODY PAYS US. We live and breathe it, but living and breathing it can make you starve to death if you have no money. Ask the government to fund us more.

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      4. Penny CS Andrews  🌈 🔥‏ @pennyb 14 Nov 2017
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        See also: those of us who are information scientists who write critical stuff about tech and data and the like. They closed so many departments, there aren’t any permanent jobs.

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      5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Nov 2017
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        Yeah her oped ignores the tremendous work that is being done despite purposeful sabotage and exploitation. That’s a bigger story to me than what Stanford isn’t doing

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      6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 14 Nov 2017
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        Also there's computational academics outside computer science.

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      7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 14 Nov 2017
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        I just wanted to specifically underline that CS departments have been literally hollowed out by lack of funding coupled with industry poaching.

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      8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 14 Nov 2017
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        I just saw you said the same in the original thread. 👍💓

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      2. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 13 Dec 2018
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        Yep. Moreover, we are often bound by cultural funding constraints that make it hard to offer competitive salaries.

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Dec 2018
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        Oh, wow. This is so old...

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      4. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 13 Dec 2018
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        I'm not sure why it suddenly popped to the top of my news feed this AM. I don't think anyone retweeted it. Is Twitter fiddling with their algorithms again?

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      5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Dec 2018
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        Oh, @Abebab did! 🌸

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      6. Abeba Birhane‏ @Abebab 13 Dec 2018
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        I was looking for that link and found this great tweet instead. :)

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      7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 13 Dec 2018
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        Fuck it! I'll RT it too! 🖤🔥

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      8. Abeba Birhane‏ @Abebab 13 Dec 2018
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        pic.twitter.com/zhFGZ4aVNk

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      1. ᴄ. ᴀ. ʙᴀᴋᴇʀ‏ @bakermind 14 Nov 2017
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        reminds me of the last dot com bubble phase: many CS grads going straight to web companies; when the bottom dropped out, CS grad school applications skyrocketed. Probably won't happen again.

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      1. Raphael Reitzig‏ @OmegaPolice 14 Nov 2017
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        The good news is that those they _are_ able to hire, those who will accept severe salary cuts to do research, are often idealists. Hype-funding can have exactly the opposite effect: opportunistic PIs will apply for anything that raises their grant-money scores.

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      1. Bruce Becker Ph.D.‏ @brusisceddu 14 Nov 2017
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        Let's stop giving facebook our money?

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