Wait, what? I need to stop "like"ing things before I read (and understand) them
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@manes’s tweet was in reponse to the Google memo tweet by someone else :) No worries!1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes -
That someone else was whom I was rolling my eyes at.
@manes tried to point out to his misinterpretation of data but of course was ignored.2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes -
And I didn't mean it to sound "Well, actually" - but a lot of people turn to the gender-egalitarian country data and say "See, it's women's choices!" and I think Else-Quest handle that very well.
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To clarify, I didn't make that horrible argument that it's women who choose not to do STEM in the West.
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My argument, if anything was exactly the opposite. That women in the West have no other (default) choice but to do female-gendered stuff which is usually not STEM.
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Saying somebody has no other choice but to do X, exactly means that X was not a choice.
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Oh I understand. You are saying that women are shoehorned into "choices" by what's valued and I agree. I was trying to explain a different talking point among evo psych people. ->
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Evo psych people say - but in egalitarian countries there are great perceived and observed sex diffs! And they have choice, so they must be exercising that choice. ->
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But Else-Quest says: In egalitarian countries people make cross-sex comparisons and that highlights the diffs. In less egalitarian countries, comparisons are within-sex, and so there aren't negative perceptions and observations or big sex diffs.
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My lived experiences don't exactly agree with that, but that's not to say it's the case. Girls were better at boys in every single subject from STEMs to arts to humanities at school. But I realise that my "less egalitarian country" might be an outlier since if you notice they are
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randomly distributed by gender diffs once you escape the West. Meaning outside the West it's more like flipping a coin to see which gender is "better" at school.
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typo: "that's not to say it's __not__ the case"
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