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    Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Nov 2017
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    I was alluding to this kind of research, as well as my experiences, when we (@Abebab & @maria_ndrnh) were talking about how some (all?) subjects are gendered in UK but not e.g. where I'm from: "Girls Lead in Science Exam, but Not in the United States" https://nyti.ms/UoNta5  😫

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      1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Nov 2017
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        @zerdeve and I have had a similar conversation too, I believe. Also up above my first 280 tweet. *bows*

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      2. Raphael Reitzig‏ @OmegaPolice 8 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @o_guest @Abebab @maria_ndrnh

        But also, a relevant comment: "the countries with the highest male adv. (DK, LI, DE, AT, ...) are the ones which are the most feminist countries? In contrast the countries with the highest female adv. (JO, AL, QA, KG, ...) are usually at the bottom of the gender equality index"

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 8 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @OmegaPolice @Abebab @maria_ndrnh

        I'm from one of the most sexist counties. I'm aware of the mechanism. It goes something like this: women aren't good at anything. So then we (women) just pick _any_ subject we like. While in the West you say: women are only good at biology and languages, so they do those. QED

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      4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 8 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @o_guest @OmegaPolice and

        I've explained this quite a few times on Twitter and had this discussion with quite a few people. @zerdeve is also from a very sexist country and knows this pattern. It's obvious to women what's going on if they get a chance to step back. Women are not driven by random choices...

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      5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 8 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @o_guest @OmegaPolice and

        but we — as are men of course — driven by the mores of the societies we live in. If they push up towards biology, arts, and humanities then we assume that gender role. In the countries where it's more normalised to think women are bad at everything (so not even good at bio) then

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      6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 8 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @o_guest @OmegaPolice and

        we are more free to choose anything we want given there is no pressure towards certain subjects just our individual choice to study. So once a women has chosen she is going to study, then she has relative "freedom" to pick anything as she has been sociliased to believe in e.g.

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      7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 8 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @o_guest @OmegaPolice and

        the male geek. The male geek is a huge problem in the West because it drives women away from STEM. The end.

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      8. Raphael Reitzig‏ @OmegaPolice 8 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @o_guest @Abebab and

        I take offense at this overly general condemnation.

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      9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 8 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @OmegaPolice @Abebab and

        The male geek is not a person. It refers to a stereotype in the West that only men and boys like computers.

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      2. Maria Niedernhuber #FBPE‏ @maria_ndrnh 7 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @o_guest @Abebab

        yeah i was told i'd be good at languages but not maths at highschool

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @maria_ndrnh @Abebab

        Ewww. So sorry. 😕

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      4. Maria Niedernhuber #FBPE‏ @maria_ndrnh 7 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @o_guest @Abebab

        but this was pretty normal - languages are for girls, maths is for boys, and computer science.

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      5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @maria_ndrnh @Abebab

        Yeah, in Western countries.

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      6. Maria Niedernhuber #FBPE‏ @maria_ndrnh 7 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @o_guest @Abebab

        and at least in recent decades. i have read that programming was seen as a woman's job in western countries before it became an attractive thing to do

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      7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 7 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @maria_ndrnh @Abebab

        Yes, there's a lot on that and there's many women programmers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_computing …

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      2. Raphael Reitzig‏ @OmegaPolice 8 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @o_guest @Abebab @maria_ndrnh

        So, it's certainly a curious issue that is unlikely to have easy explanations. Can recommend the Norwegian documentary Hjernevask in this regard!

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 8 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @OmegaPolice @Abebab @maria_ndrnh

        I just explained it to you. 😂

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