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    1. Julie J. Lee‏ @synapticlee 22 Sep 2017
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      Uploading this work to a preprint server would give those undergrads practice writing a paper as well as something to show for their efforts

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    2. Julie J. Lee‏ @synapticlee 22 Sep 2017
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      Most are never published b/c of null results, which others could benefit from knowing about, seems preprint servers are the perfect place.

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    3. Julie J. Lee‏ @synapticlee 22 Sep 2017
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      @o_guest cc'ing you because I thought of you when writing this :D

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    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @synapticlee @biorxivpreprint @PsyArXiv

      Good thread and question! 🖤

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @synapticlee and

      My opinion is that it's a good idea when/if the project is well-written up and the student and advisor are confident in the work.

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @synapticlee and

      Undergrads are still learning and sometimes learning means getting stuff wrong and making mistakes. Nobody wants their first attempt at

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @synapticlee and

      science to be a preprint that's too immature, etc. Bad first experiences can be very upsetting.

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    8. Julie J. Lee‏ @synapticlee 22 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @biorxivpreprint @PsyArXiv

      true! I can see that if someone puts their stuff out there and makes mistakes and a lot of criticism for it, could be a massive turn-off

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    9. Julie J. Lee‏ @synapticlee 22 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @synapticlee @o_guest and

      so it's only a good idea if the supervisor takes responsibility for vetting the work (which is a lot to ask, but would be great mentorship)

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @synapticlee @biorxivpreprint @PsyArXiv

      To be honest, I'm not sure if it's a lot to ask. Their name will be on it! If both parties want to go this route it seems it's the advisor's

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @synapticlee and

      responsibility to ensure they have trained their student well and the work is quality.

      2:58 AM - 22 Sep 2017
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        2. Maria Niedernhuber #FBPE‏ @maria_ndrnh 23 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @synapticlee and

          i would not want to guarantee the correctness of student analyses. msc students are not mini phds. but it would be good for replications.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @maria_ndrnh @synapticlee and

          I'm not saying you have to but putting something out there without checking isn't good practice IMHO.

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        4. Maria Niedernhuber #FBPE‏ @maria_ndrnh 23 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @synapticlee and

          ok but which supervisor rereads the program of a phd student, checking for programming bugs

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @maria_ndrnh @synapticlee and

          Mine did during my phd but that's actually not how any software testing is done. Either way if you put something out there it's important

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @maria_ndrnh and

          for science and your reputation to check. I can't force you to do this obviously.

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        7. Maria Niedernhuber #FBPE‏ @maria_ndrnh 23 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @synapticlee and

          but no one re-reads my program. we share a lot of code though, so that's how we discover bugs

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @maria_ndrnh @synapticlee and

          I'm confused because you said "but which supervisor rereads the program of a phd student, checking for programming bugs" I assumed you meant

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @maria_ndrnh and

          that checking for bugs is equal to reading somebody's code. Both are useful but not synonymous.

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        2. Gavin Buckingham‏ @DrGBuckingham 22 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @synapticlee and

          I suspect that in places with high UG numbers the PhD student supervision would suffer quite a lot

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        3. Gavin Buckingham‏ @DrGBuckingham 22 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @DrGBuckingham @o_guest and

          and the load on BioRVX would be pretty dramatic - 170ish UK psych courses with av 150 students = 25k pubs per year!

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        4. Julie J. Lee‏ @synapticlee 22 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @DrGBuckingham @o_guest and

          it would be great if that happened! UG psych teaches doing xps + writing lab reports, why not finish the sequence and include publishing?

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        5. Gavin Buckingham‏ @DrGBuckingham 22 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @synapticlee @o_guest and

          i just worry that with that much extra stuff it'd be impossible to differentiate signal from noise (pretty tough already)

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        6. Gavin Buckingham‏ @DrGBuckingham 22 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @DrGBuckingham @synapticlee and

          But I guess that's where post-pub review/metrics/rankings could help out. Reddit of UG science pubs

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 22 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @DrGBuckingham @synapticlee and

          Agreed with the above — I was envisaging like less than 5% of student projects would have the support and quality to be preprints.

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        8. Julie J. Lee‏ @synapticlee 22 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @DrGBuckingham and

          Yes, me too. I was thinking it's at the discretion of supervisor + UG director - everyone would learn it but only some would make it through

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        9. Gavin Buckingham‏ @DrGBuckingham 22 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @synapticlee @o_guest and

          I like this as an automatic 'reward' for the top 5 highest marked dissertations of the year. Might see if there's a thirst for it in dept

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        2. Maria Niedernhuber #FBPE‏ @maria_ndrnh 23 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @synapticlee and

          e.g. you could let the msc students do registered replications of previous experiments which could then be published.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 23 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @maria_ndrnh @synapticlee and

          Yeah, people have proposed that before. @chrismbrand for example https://thewinnower.com/papers/4827-student-research-as-a-tool-for-investigating-replicability …

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        1. Maria Niedernhuber #FBPE‏ @maria_ndrnh 23 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @synapticlee and

          obvs authors c argue that failure to replicate is student fuck up. but if you have a cohort of msc students each of which replicates why not

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