I can't speak for the USA one, but the European and UK ones (which differ dramatically from USA and each other) are terrible in many cases.
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The problems are manifold, but seriously telling people to seek non scientific employment in order to make it in science is disingenuous at
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best and manipulative lies at worst IMHO.
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Well, it won't necessarily help you make it in science, but I'd like to point out that this is the model of employment that actors use.
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In NYC, more often than not you'll find that a lot of the clerical staff and real estate brokers also harbor ambitions of working on B'way.
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That's not the same at all. You do a phd because you want to work in science usually. The phd is the dream job.
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That's like saying the estate agent is already doing their dream job. They aren't. They want to act. Phd is doing the dream.
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But anyway, sure you can advise your PhD students to get other jobs, I can't stop you.
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I wouldn't advise people to do that, I'm just pointing out that there are analogous situations in other professions.
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To be clear, I also don't believe that stipends are fair.
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It's a diff system here. I don't know enough about USA system TBH.
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Stipends usually average around $27000 for 9 months. That's less than an entry level position for someone fresh out of college.
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