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    1. Gavin Buckingham‏ @DrGBuckingham 12 Sep 2017
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      It's become clear to me that all future research in this topic must use real (disembodied?) heads for ratings

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    2. Dr. Alex Jones‏ @AlexJonesPhD 12 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @DrGBuckingham @Ben_C_J @LisaDeBruine

      What would you guys say the gold standard should be for measuring this variable, e.g. at a minimum and then ideally?

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    3. Ben Jones‏ @Ben_C_J 12 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @AlexJonesPhD @DrGBuckingham @LisaDeBruine

      @DrGBuckingham not far off the mark above, imo. 3D scans for body facial metrics are best, I reckon. @IrisHolzleitner does this really well.

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    4. Ben Jones‏ @Ben_C_J 12 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @Ben_C_J @AlexJonesPhD and

      Facial metrics from 2D images are fine if you are just wanting to look at perceptions.

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    5. Dr. Alex Jones‏ @AlexJonesPhD 12 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @Ben_C_J @DrGBuckingham and

      Right! But a serious correlation between some variable and facial proportions is way more convincing in 3D. Head tilt is an issue for fWHR

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    6. Dr. Alex Jones‏ @AlexJonesPhD 12 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @AlexJonesPhD @Ben_C_J and

      but do you think other metrics (say averageness) may be less affected if you are standardised in a 2D setting? I wonder if there is data...

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    7. Ben Jones‏ @Ben_C_J 12 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @AlexJonesPhD @DrGBuckingham and

      I think it is a problem for all face metrics. As more folk move to 3D stuff will get better tho.

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    8. Ben Jones‏ @Ben_C_J 12 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @Ben_C_J @AlexJonesPhD and

      @RichieEvPsych has a project in the works looking at what info you can and can't get out of unstandardised 2D images.

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    9. Dr. Alex Jones‏ @AlexJonesPhD 12 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @Ben_C_J @DrGBuckingham and

      Sounds great. Would love to hear more!

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    10. Thomas Richardson‏ @Richie_Research 12 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @AlexJonesPhD @Ben_C_J and

      A lot of it is really just putting numbers on what you see going on with Lisa's face above. I suspect selfie cameras also have wider lenses

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Sep 2017
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      Replying to @Richie_Research @AlexJonesPhD and

      Why do you think that actual face width is a good variable to measure/infer sexuality when there's no credible theory postulating a link?

      2:20 PM - 12 Sep 2017
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        2. Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈‏ @LisaDeBruine 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @AlexJonesPhD and

          It's a terrible measure. But the paper cites jaw contour & nose morph as what their ML used; this shows those are highly malleable.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @LisaDeBruine @AlexJonesPhD and

          Sure, that's fine. But some people above are asking for 3d scans of people's heads.

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        4. Ben Jones‏ @Ben_C_J 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @LisaDeBruine and

          Sorry, just to clarify......my point was that if you want to measure stuff from faces, 3D scans are the best way to do it.

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        5. Ben Jones‏ @Ben_C_J 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @Ben_C_J @o_guest and

          People make strong claims about links between aspects of face shape and things like hormones.

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        6. Ben Jones‏ @Ben_C_J 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @Ben_C_J @o_guest and

          To test these ideas well you need to measure face shape well.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @Ben_C_J @LisaDeBruine and

          Hormones affecting face shape might be a nice little correlation to look into. Nowt to do with sexuality.

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        8. Ben Jones‏ @Ben_C_J 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @LisaDeBruine and

          Absolutely. I don't think any of the discussion above was people wanting to improve face measurement to look at sexuality.

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @Ben_C_J @LisaDeBruine and

          The context is that given the study though TBF. But thanks for clarifying.

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @AlexJonesPhD and

          It's worrying that you all want to improve this research instead of decry it as fundamentally misconstrued.

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        3. Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈‏ @LisaDeBruine 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @AlexJonesPhD and

          Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈 Retweeted Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈

          See this thread for discussion of that aspect:https://twitter.com/lisadebruine/status/907685469160394754 …

          Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈 added,

          Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈 @LisaDeBruine
          So why's this more ethical than analysing dating site photos for sexual orientation? I've a gut feeling about why the latter is unethical... https://twitter.com/mads100tist/status/907318508765229056 …
          Show this thread
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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @LisaDeBruine @AlexJonesPhD and

          I'm not sure that does cover what I'm saying. Regardless, thanks for taking the time to explain your thoughts on that — appreciated.

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        5. Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈‏ @LisaDeBruine 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @AlexJonesPhD and

          For example, I worry that nobody was bothered when people showed smile intensity *didn't* predict longetivity of baseball players...

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        6. Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈‏ @LisaDeBruine 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @LisaDeBruine @o_guest and

          ...but a positive finding could have had widespread bad effects if insurance companies adopted that sort of analysis.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @LisaDeBruine @AlexJonesPhD and

          I would have been bothered but sure, yeah, not as much since LGBT people continue to be murdered for their status. But yes, I'd have said it

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Sep 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @LisaDeBruine and

          is shitty science. I get called out on Twitter when I say big five is shitty. 😂

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