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    1. Titus Brown‏ @ctitusbrown 11 Jul 2017
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      I don't see that in many of my conversations with junior or senior faculty.

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 11 Jul 2017
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      Replying to @ctitusbrown @blahah404 and

      I think being scooped is v complex. I don't think PhD students over-estimate but they do indeed not understand in many cases how it happens.

      1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes
    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 11 Jul 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @ctitusbrown and

      They think it happens by vaguely discussing your ideas or results with others. Usually this is not the vector in which such incidents occur.

      1 reply 2 retweets 8 likes
    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 11 Jul 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @ctitusbrown and

      How it happens is more like the examples of real incidents given above. That specific bad actors are on the prowl and purposefully scoop.

      2 replies 2 retweets 3 likes
    5. Erik Tollerud‏ @eteq 11 Jul 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @ctitusbrown and

      V much see your point here (and the follow-ons): in my mind the scoop threat fear is mostly about incidental/accidental

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    6. Erik Tollerud‏ @eteq 11 Jul 2017
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      Replying to @eteq @o_guest and

      But you're absolutely right that the malice case is real. I wonder if there needs to be diff words for accidental vs. intentional cases?

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 11 Jul 2017
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      Replying to @eteq @ctitusbrown and

      What's accidental scooping? Because of you mean they just happened to be doing the same thing, well, that sadly cannot be avoided ever.

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    8. Dani Rabaiotti‏ @DaniRabaiotti 11 Jul 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @eteq and

      I think there's an in between though where they see an idea and do something similar which makes it harder to publish the first thing

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2017
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      Replying to @DaniRabaiotti @eteq and

      I am not sure that's inadvertently scooping. That's malicious.

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @DaniRabaiotti and

      One thing to keep in mind in all such cases is the edge cases are indeed tough, worthy of debate, but the principal offense is clear.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @DaniRabaiotti and

      Burglary is when somebody unbeknownst to you enters your house without permission and takes your belongings.

      12:34 AM - 12 Jul 2017
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @DaniRabaiotti and

          There are edge cases where your family or friend could trick you into letting them in to your house and then steal your stuff.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @DaniRabaiotti and

          But that's not the usual offence. Edge cases are very important but thankfully rare.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @DaniRabaiotti and

          The important thing to realise is if another lab makes your science harder to do that's malicious behaviour for all intents and purposes.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @DaniRabaiotti and

          And so all my advice about staying away from them and so on applies. If you think another lab where on purpose or not will make your science

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @DaniRabaiotti and

          that much harder to do, label it as malicious.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @DaniRabaiotti and

          Too early to be thinking about academic misconduct, need coffee! ☕💙

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @DaniRabaiotti and

          Also to be clear, if somebody is working on the same thing sees you're doing something similar and uses something you came up, a method

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @DaniRabaiotti and

          an analysis anything that's more yours than common knowledge, and publishes it without telling you... That's scooping & certainly malicious.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @DaniRabaiotti and

          Even if their excuse is "sorry I forgot you came up with that"... Well, if they are indeed sorry they publish a correction stating as such!

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        11. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @DaniRabaiotti and

          This is exactly that situation in which a preprint can only strengthen your argument and demonstrate to others you came up with it.

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        12. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 12 Jul 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @DaniRabaiotti and

          IMHO this is one of the rarest ways people scoop. Needs so much data and experimental overlap for them to steal your method of idea.

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