I'm confused what the diff between what we thought is? [sorry!]
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Some discount a student's 1st authorship by saying their PI probably "did all the work" (especially with with a famous PI)
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Replying to @LisaDeBruine @o_guest and
I was arguing that most PIs are too selfish to gift their own authorship. And incentives are not good.
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Replying to @LisaDeBruine @o_guest and
I saw your argument that some student 1st authorship is seen as not deserved because it should actually belong to another student.
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No. OK, I see your point. My point was NOTHING to do with deserving. I am just saying that some PIs genuinely help their students.
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I don't mean this to devalue anybody! I'm saying that PIs exist who are nice & promote their students & gift 1st author to students.
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I have seen students do very little work because they are still learning and still developing their skills and they get gifted 1st author.
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This isn't a criticism of anybody, just a fact. PIs allow them to be first because why not?
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I don't see that as a gift. It's correct supervision. It would only be a problem if the student did no work and got no training from it.
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Ah, but in __most__ labs I have been in (except current) PIs never do this or behave even slightly this way (including towards me).
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In my current lab there is very fair system. In most others I have worked in there have been cases PI went first instead the students, etc.
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