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    1. Tim van der Zee‏ @Research_Tim 15 May 2017
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      When you judge the CV of an early career researcher, is there an ideal range of 1st author vs co-author publications? Which ratios are bad?

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    2. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble 15 May 2017
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      Replying to @Research_Tim

      I would be suspicious of almost entirely FA pub list. Noone has that much time as a grad student unless a real prodigy.. or helped alot.

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    3. Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈‏ @LisaDeBruine 16 May 2017
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @Research_Tim

      "Helped a lot" is what I call proper supervision. There's little incentive for PIs to gift papers unless the 1st author earned it.

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    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 16 May 2017
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      Replying to @LisaDeBruine @bradpwyble @Research_Tim

      I've seen examples of first author gifting quite a few times. Obviously not going say examples as I'm not interested in shaming anybody.

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    5. Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈‏ @LisaDeBruine 16 May 2017
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble @Research_Tim

      You're right. I was thinking entirely about accusations that a student's work is actually the PI's. Your example's probably more common.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 16 May 2017
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      Replying to @LisaDeBruine @bradpwyble @Research_Tim

      I'm confused what the diff between what we thought is? [sorry!]

      5:05 AM - 16 May 2017
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        2. Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈‏ @LisaDeBruine 16 May 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble @Research_Tim

          Some discount a student's 1st authorship by saying their PI probably "did all the work" (especially with with a famous PI)

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        3. Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈‏ @LisaDeBruine 16 May 2017
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          Replying to @LisaDeBruine @o_guest and

          I was arguing that most PIs are too selfish to gift their own authorship. And incentives are not good.

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        4. Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈‏ @LisaDeBruine 16 May 2017
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          Replying to @LisaDeBruine @o_guest and

          I saw your argument that some student 1st authorship is seen as not deserved because it should actually belong to another student.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 16 May 2017
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          Replying to @LisaDeBruine @bradpwyble @Research_Tim

          No. OK, I see your point. My point was NOTHING to do with deserving. I am just saying that some PIs genuinely help their students.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 16 May 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @LisaDeBruine and

          I don't mean this to devalue anybody! I'm saying that PIs exist who are nice & promote their students & gift 1st author to students.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 16 May 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @LisaDeBruine and

          I have seen students do very little work because they are still learning and still developing their skills and they get gifted 1st author.

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 16 May 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @LisaDeBruine and

          This isn't a criticism of anybody, just a fact. PIs allow them to be first because why not?

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 16 May 2017
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          Replying to @o_guest @LisaDeBruine and

          If you have trouble understanding this, it might be because it's rare. But I've seen it first hand.

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